Blue Cliff Record (Case 1) The Highest Meaning of the Holy Truths
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Thank you Jundo. Not surprised that the BCR starts off with a classic koan.
I - What would you answer if the emperor asked you, "What's your telephone number?" "How much money do you have in the bank?"
None of your business
I’ll just join the line up for execution now….
II - Also, was Bodhidharma killed or not killed? Did he return to India? Could he ever leave India?
To me this seems like a metaphorical death. Bodhidharma tried many times to teach the Dharma to these two individuals only to have them continue to debate him. At some point it would be pointless to continue teaching the Dharma to those not ready to receive it. Persisting would just entrench positions and dogma. Perhaps too Bodhidharma’s return to India was a metaphor for moving on to teach others.
Tairin
Sat today and lah泰林 - Tai Rin - Peaceful Woods1Comment
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I - What would you answer if the emperor asked you, "What's your telephone number?" "How much money do you have in the bank?"
No money, but I hope you received my donation to the Imperial fund for the homeless.
II - Also, was Bodhidharma killed or not killed? Did he return to India? Could he ever leave India?
Every inch of Indian soil is his body.
Gassho
Kokuu
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Ah, Yungang. Here is a younger incarnation of Mina (now Mrs.) and me at Yungang!
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They all seemed very fond of shooting arrows at Korea.
When an elbow does not bend outward in offering, it only pulls things inward to itself = Chih is self-interested.
Yuanwu insinuates that Chih is someone from one house involving himself emotionally in the affairs of another house. basically he's saying he should have butt out and left Wu alone to do whatever he was going to do.
Gassho, Jundo
stlahALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE3Comment
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Ah, Yungang. Here is a younger incarnation of Mina (now Mrs.) and me at Yungang!
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NO NOTES! I asked not to bring the notes here. Thank you. It distracts and takes center stage when it should remain a side-show.
Yuanwus notes basically ARE most of the blue cliff record... The rest is just regurgitating koans.
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sat/ah
mattLast edited by Matt Johnson; 08-19-2024, 03:00 PM.Comment
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I - What would you answer if the emperor asked you, "What's your telephone number?" "How much money do you have in the bank?"- The call's already been picked up and answered (from a known and unknown number )
- The wealth of the universe (and my Schwab account) is boundless—but none of it is mine.
II - Also, was Bodhidharma killed or not killed? Did he return to India? Could he ever leave India?- He was never killed—and neither was he ever alive to be killed.
- He never left India—wherever he goes, there is India—how could he ever return?
Gassho,
Koushi
ST理道弘志 | Ridō Koushi
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Please take this priest-in-training's words with a grain of salt.2Comment
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Gassho, Jundo
stlah
ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLEComment
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When I read koans I tend to look at them the way I look at dreams. In dreams we are everyone in the dream, so it can be helpful to look at it from each person's perspective. So, I am going to mostly ignore the prompts on this one and give my perspective. In this koan I can identify with Emperor Wu. He is like all of us. Measuring our lives by what we can accomplish and attain. Striving to make things better for ourselves. It helps us to feel in control of a life that we can't fully control. We like to manage nature because it is wild and dangerous, so we landscape our yards for symmetry and decide what lives and what dies. But to give up control and not get caught up in measuring and comparing, as frightening as it is, gives us freedom. Just my 2 cents.
Gassho,
Koriki
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FOLLOW-UP ASSIGNMENT
I am going to suggest, only for folks who did not do so, that you maybe try again to provide responses from that same "absolute/relative" double-entendre I describe in the OP. For example, how would Bodhidharma change a tire: Answer: "There is nothing to change, thus all things are change."
Maybe give it another shot if your first response did not approach the questions that way.
Yet how can one answer such questions when, of course, there is nothing to ask, nothing to answer, to body to ask it?
Gassho, Jundo
stlahLast edited by Jundo; 08-21-2024, 01:30 PM.ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE1Comment
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"Relatively, I don't know!". Even though there is me and mine in the conventional sense, is it really skillful to tell the Emperor?
As a true heir of Shakyamuni Buddha, Bodhidarma never left India, but carries the sacred Buddha land with him wherever he went. How could he return to where he never left?
Gassho,
Tai Do
Satlah怠努 (Tai Do) - Lazy Effort
(also known as Mateus )
禅戒一如 (Zen Kai Ichi Nyo) - Zazen and the Precepts are One!1Comment
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I - What would you answer if the emperor asked you, "What's your telephone number?" "How much money do you have in the bank?"
Positive numbers, negative numbers; why would the Emperor concern himself with trivial things?
II - Also, was Bodhidharma killed or not killed? Did he return to India? Could he ever leave India?
Bodhidarma was killed, yet is beyond life and death. There is no India from which to leave or return.
Gassho,
Shujin
st/lahKyōdō Shujin 教道 守仁Comment
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I - What would you answer if the emperor asked you, "What's your telephone number?" "How much money do you have in the bank?"
"Well, yes I'll give you my phone number. Isn't it wonderful how we're able to communicate with each other, to make those connections? But we're really already connected, aren't we? In reality my number is 1, the same as yours."
"Ah yes, money. It does seem to work like a form a measurement. We tend to equate it with a type of success in life. But is it a good measure? The things we have to do to get money don't seem to fit the eightfold path very well. The more we have also gives a false sense of security. A false sense that we're on the right track. In reality we're chasing yet another delusion. A delusion that we can find more contentment if we can just get that number up. But the contentment doesn't come no matter how high it goes, does it Emperor Wu?"
II - Also, was Bodhidharma killed or not killed? Did he return to India? Could he ever leave India?
"Ah Bodhidharma. I think that when we don't grasp the Dharma, he dies. Thus, if the Buddha cannot be found in India, then Bodhidharma has left."
Gassho,
Koriki
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