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  • Beakon
    Member
    • Mar 2017
    • 138

    Zen & The Fear of Rejection

    Hello Gang,

    Has there ever been the fear of rejection discussed on this forum? If so, let me know. I am fascinated with the concept of how the ego plays these records between our ears. The messages the records play sound like discouraging, fear based and irrational things. Before I began meditating seriously these records took control of my life. If say for example, I asked a girl out on a date, she would reject me. The memory of her rejecting me would replay itself over and over.


    The effect is usually the same with any negative situation, like having a regression about being abused, or teased by someone. Experiencing this mind state is the reason I would take long warm showers. The warm showers were comforting so I built an unconcious habit of using comfort to cope with stress. I built up enough resistance to use meditation as a coping mechanism to deal with regressions and anxiety. There is a level of neurosis that can build up to deal with difficult situations. Since I work with the public as a cashier, their words effect me more than they know. I don't understand how come I am sensitive to what another person says or does that makes me feel bad.


    It's the tiny things. People who laugh at me, the tone of someone's voice, the stomping on baseboards, repetitive conversations, accused or being scolded constantly. The Buddha advises not to take anyone's 'gifts' that cause harm. At work where I am bullied the most peoples comments and rude behaviour echo in my mind constantly. I cannot figure out for the life of me how to detach myself from hearing the negative things my ego says. I will think about what they said constantly. I will hide it until it is safe to cry in private. This has happened all too often lately.


    The good news is that two customers who harassed me need to write an apology letter to me or face consequences. I like to tinker with the concept of resistance to doing things that I'm afraid of. I'll do anything: cold showers, waking up early, ask that girl out, perform on stage, talk to a stranger, or pet someone's dog. Tonight I asked a girl out from the theatre group I perform with. She rejected me, then the painful side effects started, so I needed to cope by using the computer. I started fearing that she won't want to speak to me again, I'm a loser, she might think I'm creepy. I started rationalizing 'okay, if I see her again I'll have two options: a) I can be non-challante and see if she comes around b) I can try to initiate conversations, but that will seem needy. There is the desire to be someone else that girls feel attracted to so I can succeed in that area of life. Who else can I be, but me?


    The feeling I experience before asking for a phone number is like my ego wants to fight against the decision to ask someone for their personal information. After being rejected, the centre of my back feels tense and I'm cringing. There was a TEDx Talk I watched to help me understand what was going on. This is called 100 Days of Getting Rejected. A man with delusions of grandeur sets out on a quest to see if he could: a) get donuts made in the olympic symbol shape b) teach a university course c) take a random girl out to dinner. What he learned was how rejection is nessicary for society to advance. How you can use rejection to your personal advantage. I'll post the link down below in case your curious to watch.

    My question of the day, how do you improve upon this setback I described? Does this sound familiar?

    Jia Jiang adventures boldly into a territory so many of us fear: rejection. By seeking out rejection for 100 days -- from asking a stranger to borrow $100 to...
    "May I be a flashlight to all beings living in life's dreary and despicable basement" - Sean C.T.
  • Tom
    Member
    • Jan 2013
    • 72

    #2
    I normally don't have it, but I've been having it on Treeleaf due to my scant knowledge of Zen, even though there's "nothing to know." :P
    Tom
    Sat.

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    • Jishin
      Member
      • Oct 2012
      • 4821

      #3
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      Gasho, Jishin, _/st\_

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      • Kyonin
        Treeleaf Priest / Engineer
        • Oct 2010
        • 6749

        #4
        Hi Beakon,

        Hey is that your real name? It would be great if you could upload a picture of you for your avatar.

        About rejection... I was a fat kid and rejection was terrible. I had to deal with it over and over again until I pretty much isolated myself from the world. That was even worse in teenage years. I built a wall of books, comics and videogames.

        But I was very lucky that as a teenager I started taking Karate-Do class. My Sensei helped me a lot to build self confidence, to keep a positive mind and to not to be afraid of asking. Rejection started to melt away with every passing year. My Sensei was from Korea and he was a Buddhist

        Now as an adult, rejection is no longer an issue. If I am rejected in business, that's fine. If I'm rejected in social life, that's also fine too.

        Zen practice helps a lot to see things as they are without adding drama or destructive thoughts to life, which is what happened to Jia Jiang.

        Gassho,

        Kyonin
        #SatToday
        Hondō Kyōnin
        奔道 協忍

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        • Meitou
          Member
          • Feb 2017
          • 1656

          #5
          Hi Beakon,

          When dealing with people that behave in a 'difficult' way, I remind myself that none of us wants to suffer, all of us just want to be happy and all of us have Buddha nature inside somewhere and I ask myself if their behaviour is a manifestation of their own suffering - as mine can be without doubt! This helps me to forget about myself and develop compassion towards others - their suffering is my suffering and vice versa.
          And then regarding feelings of hurt and rejection etc, it's always useful for me to come back to the same question - who or what is suffering - and reflect and meditate on that, the idea of non-self, time and time and time again.
          This is just my take on things right now, something I'm working with

          Gassho.

          Sat with you all today
          命 Mei - life
          島 Tou - island

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          • Jakuden
            Member
            • Jun 2015
            • 6141

            #6
            One thing that helps for me is to take the focus off myself and on to the other person. If I have their best interests truly at heart, then rejection is not a problem because I don't make it about me. It sounds like perhaps you are focused more on your own feeling of lack and your need of a certain type of relationship rather than what you could be doing to be a good friend to others. Listen, pay attention to their verbal and non-verbal signals, remember the details of their lives, and just be there. With time and practice, you might be pleasantly surprised to find that one of those friends becomes more than a friend, but that cannot be rushed or forced.

            We all reject stuff all day long... we constantly choose one thing in favor of another... but there are infinite choices, big and small, to fit every person and every situation. There are choices about colleges, cellphone plans, dating partners, advertising media, employees, you name it. If you wouldn't want to limit your own ability to choose, then it's perfectly all right for others to have their preferences as well. It makes life interesting.

            Gassho,
            Jakuden
            SatToday

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            • Rich
              Member
              • Apr 2009
              • 2614

              #7
              Beakon, your mind has been conditioned with negative self thoughts. It covers up your wonderful presence. Your bright and pure Buddha nature. Have you been practicing just sitting?

              SAT today

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              Rich
              MUHYO
              無 (MU, Emptiness) and 氷 (HYO, Ice) ... Emptiness Ice ...

              https://instagram.com/notmovingmind

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              • Beakon
                Member
                • Mar 2017
                • 138

                #8
                Hey Gang,


                No, I have skipped meditation sessions lately. The habit of meditating 'vipassana' style two times a day lasts for two to three months. Since I am new to Tree Leaf I am trying to make time for the zazenkai sessions. There is still a spark of bodhicitta left in me. Connecting to the breath is very easy when performing samu. Since I began meditation as a lifestyle, I can feel my own confidence in a way I never knew possible. All of you have thoughtful things to say about rejection. Kyonin, you make a good point about practicing martial arts to raise self-esteem. I have given thought to getting back into martial arts.
                "May I be a flashlight to all beings living in life's dreary and despicable basement" - Sean C.T.

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                • Joyo

                  #9
                  Hello Beakon, rejection comes, rejection goes, just do not become stuck in your thoughts. This is coming from someone who has spent a lifetime not fitting in so I've had plenty of years of practice. It gets easier in time, I promise.

                  Gassho,
                  Joyo
                  sat today

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                  • Beakon
                    Member
                    • Mar 2017
                    • 138

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Joyo
                    Hello Beakon, rejection comes, rejection goes, just do not become stuck in your thoughts. This is coming from someone who has spent a lifetime not fitting in so I've had plenty of years of practice. It gets easier in time, I promise.

                    Gassho,
                    Joyo
                    sat today
                    A lotus for you, a Buddha to be.
                    "May I be a flashlight to all beings living in life's dreary and despicable basement" - Sean C.T.

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                    • Jika
                      Member
                      • Jun 2014
                      • 1337

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Tom
                      I normally don't have it, but I've been having it on Treeleaf due to my scant knowledge of Zen, even though there's "nothing to know." :P
                      Tom
                      Sat.
                      Like.
                      治 Ji
                      花 Ka

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                      • Jika
                        Member
                        • Jun 2014
                        • 1337

                        #12
                        Hi Beakon,

                        I also get upset about lots of things and wish I wouldn't.

                        On the bus I take to work, there are two ladies who enjoy long chats.
                        One of them seems to be coming from night shift.
                        They discuss quite superficial topics, e.g. one of them describes her bus plan an when it would be better to take the train every second morning.
                        As bus plans do not change often, she says the same thing every second morning.

                        I feel their talk is getting to me because it's so loud in rather shrill voices.
                        Lopts of things my body does not feel good about in the morning, like people smoking next to me or loud sounds.

                        Then I feel ashamed, because the point of those ladies' conversation seems to be enjoying company and conversation itself.
                        How can I allow my need for quietness be more important then theirs?

                        (Nice picture, Jishin.)

                        I've tried ear plugs but risk missing getting off the bus.

                        The "second arrow" always is, that this zen stuff should make me all relaxed and accepting of noise etc but it does not (which means I'm quite a failure).

                        I can sit Zazen in unusual situations, loud environments like a construction site, but put those two ladies next to me and I'm lost.

                        We all have our demons, even if it's chatting ladies.

                        Gassho
                        Jika
                        #sattoday
                        治 Ji
                        花 Ka

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                        • Getchi
                          Member
                          • May 2015
                          • 612

                          #13
                          Hi Beakon

                          After a hard life I think to myself "there is no rejection because nothing is ever final. Because its all relative, I have just narrowed down my unskillful options."

                          Zazen, Vipassana all to me touch the same face; now is that a nose or a smile?



                          Gassho,
                          Geoff.

                          SAttoday
                          Nothing to do? Why not Sit?

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                          • Jakuden
                            Member
                            • Jun 2015
                            • 6141

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Jika
                            Hi Beakon,

                            I also get upset about lots of things and wish I wouldn't.

                            On the bus I take to work, there are two ladies who enjoy long chats.
                            One of them seems to be coming from night shift.
                            They discuss quite superficial topics, e.g. one of them describes her bus plan an when it would be better to take the train every second morning.
                            As bus plans do not change often, she says the same thing every second morning.

                            I feel their talk is getting to me because it's so loud in rather shrill voices.
                            Lopts of things my body does not feel good about in the morning, like people smoking next to me or loud sounds.

                            Then I feel ashamed, because the point of those ladies' conversation seems to be enjoying company and conversation itself.
                            How can I allow my need for quietness be more important then theirs?

                            (Nice picture, Jishin.)

                            I've tried ear plugs but risk missing getting off the bus.

                            The "second arrow" always is, that this zen stuff should make me all relaxed and accepting of noise etc but it does not (which means I'm quite a failure).

                            I can sit Zazen in unusual situations, loud environments like a construction site, but put those two ladies next to me and I'm lost.

                            We all have our demons, even if it's chatting ladies.

                            Gassho
                            Jika
                            #sattoday
                            Oh I so relate to this... there are some things that can get under my skin no matter how much I practice acceptance... I try to think of them as what keeps me humble so I don't become too "cool for school" and start judging others' weaknesses. Although yes it would be nice not to have to constantly fail and stay humble, LOL. Thanks for sharing your wonderful self with us Jika [emoji173] and everyone else here!

                            Gassho
                            Jakuden
                            SatToday


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                            • Marie
                              Member
                              • Aug 2016
                              • 25

                              #15
                              Hi Beakon,

                              I find that how we react to rejection has a lot to do with our general state of mind.

                              For example, at times in my life where I've been more self-confident and/or happier, I've been able to let unkindness or rejection bounce off me much more easily than when I had self-esteem issues or was feeling downcast.

                              My point is that rather than focusing specifically on rejection, it may be helpful to try to take a step back. Just sit, and live. You may find that how you feel about rejection will change naturally.

                              Gassho
                              Marie
                              Sattoday

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