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  • Getchi
    Member
    • May 2015
    • 612

    #61
    I personally feel its also a demonstration of dependant arising.

    The memory itself is unavoidable, the circumstances of its advising leads to our discrimination; good or bad?

    None of this is seperate, none is under our control.

    Since we canno t even possession our own minds, why get upset by it?

    This IMO is why shikantaza is first among st equals for mediation.


    None of this is anything other then an opinion, I've travel led from ThaiForest tradition to here via vajrayuga and by far its the hardest method for me due to boredom and wandering mind while Sitting.

    I'm much more fulfill ed learning Do gen method.

    Gassho Jundo
    For give my misunderstanding s


    Ge off
    Sat today.
    Nothing to do? Why not Sit?

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    • Kaishin
      Member
      • Dec 2010
      • 2322

      #62
      Originally posted by Geika
      I really don't think the point of the post was to instruct an avoidance of music. I really think it is simply a matter of how and why Hyon Gak feels about it. It disrupts his personal style, and that is up to him.

      Gassho, sat today
      +1
      Thanks,
      Kaishin (開心, Open Heart)
      Please take this layman's words with a grain of salt.

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      • Jishin
        Member
        • Oct 2012
        • 4821

        #63
        CNN:

        A study has revealed how earworms differ from your average pop song, listing the top culprits and how to get rid of them.


        Gasho, Jishin, _/st\_

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        • Screature
          Member
          • Apr 2017
          • 7

          #64
          Hi!
          I have a way of "getting rid" of earworms that's never failed me. Supposedly we can't get rid of earworms because they're repetitive and our brains love repetition. We don't let it go because we're waiting for closure, an ending. If you know the ending to a tune/song/earworm, hear that in your mind. End it, give it closure, and the earworm is finished. Even if you don't know how a song or tune is supposed to end and you have the chorus going around in your mind, come to the end of the verse, then imagine some ending; a chord, a few words, fading volume, whatever it takes to end it.
          Goodbye earworm, hello non-thinking :-)

          Gassho,
          Mike
          Last edited by Screature; 04-19-2017, 11:35 AM.

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          • Hoko
            Member
            • Aug 2009
            • 458

            #65
            Couldn't resist...
            Gassho,
            Hōkō
            #SatToday
            法 Dharma
            口 Mouth

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            • Risho
              Member
              • May 2010
              • 3178

              #66
              hahahahahahhahah
              Email: risho.treeleaf@gmail.com

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              • Kotei
                Dharma Transmitted Priest
                • Mar 2015
                • 4231

                #67
                Ooookay,
                this old one scrolled through my g+ stream prior to sitting :-( ;-)

                Phenomenology is where greek philosophy, western philosophy, Yogcara, Taintai, Zen, No-view, and all others meet, but it so hard that people (including Buddh...


                Gassho,
                Kotei sattoday.
                義道 冴庭 / Gidō Kotei.

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                • Jakuden
                  Member
                  • Jun 2015
                  • 6141

                  #68
                  Originally posted by Kotei
                  Ooookay,
                  this old one scrolled through my g+ stream prior to sitting :-( ;-)

                  Phenomenology is where greek philosophy, western philosophy, Yogcara, Taintai, Zen, No-view, and all others meet, but it so hard that people (including Buddh...


                  Gassho,
                  Kotei sattoday.
                  Hahahaha I knew what that was without even playing it. Yep stuck in my head already.
                  Gassho
                  Jakuden
                  SatToday


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                  • Billy
                    Member
                    • Apr 2017
                    • 47

                    #69
                    Originally posted by Kotei
                    Ooookay,
                    this old one scrolled through my g+ stream prior to sitting :-( ;-)

                    Phenomenology is where greek philosophy, western philosophy, Yogcara, Taintai, Zen, No-view, and all others meet, but it so hard that people (including Buddh...


                    Gassho,
                    Kotei sattoday.
                    This will make a quite awesome earworm! Thank you!

                    Gassho,
                    SatToay
                    Billy

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                    • Nengei
                      Member
                      • Dec 2016
                      • 1663

                      #70
                      I have been living with an earworm for days. While I have them from time to time, and they may persist for a day or two, this one just keeps going. It has been most noticeable, of course, when sitting. I am trying not to let it be bothersome to me, but it is trying for me. When sitting, I am able to let it go for a few seconds by coming to the now; I'm not sure whether to just let it play or to keep working on stopping it.

                      Something that I notice: turning the earworm off when sitting, even for a moment, is an effort. It is like putting my hand in a stream to block the flow of water. It works for a few seconds, then the water just finds its way around my hand and goes on, not caring that I am trying to stop it. I get the same results with simply coming back to the moment and the sensations around me, with focusing on my breath, and with counting breaths. I suppose I can just let it do its thing and in a few days it will go away. It's not quite at the PLEASE-SOMEBODY-MAKE-IT-STOP stage yet.

                      If anyone is interested, it is this song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSQk-4fddDI

                      Gassho,
                      然芸 Nengei
                      Sat today. LAH.
                      You deserve to be happy.
                      You deserve to be loved.
                      遜道念芸 Sondō Nengei (he/him)

                      Please excuse any indication that I am trying to teach anything. I am a priest in training and have no qualifications or credentials to teach Zen practice or the Dharma.

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                      • Jishin
                        Member
                        • Oct 2012
                        • 4821

                        #71
                        Zazen and earworms

                        Hi,

                        Try loving your worm to death. Invite her in for tea and then lock the door. Tell her she can’t go. Tell her that you need her to stick around. Tell her that you are bored. Ask her to sing for you. Then will sing for her. Every time she begins to sneak out grab her and tell her no no no. Tell her you love her. At some point in time you won’t be able to keep an eye on her around the clock and she will jump out the window never to be seem again.

                        Gasho, Jishin, _/st\_

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                        • Jakuden
                          Member
                          • Jun 2015
                          • 6141

                          #72
                          Originally posted by Nengei
                          I have been living with an earworm for days. While I have them from time to time, and they may persist for a day or two, this one just keeps going. It has been most noticeable, of course, when sitting. I am trying not to let it be bothersome to me, but it is trying for me. When sitting, I am able to let it go for a few seconds by coming to the now; I'm not sure whether to just let it play or to keep working on stopping it.

                          Something that I notice: turning the earworm off when sitting, even for a moment, is an effort. It is like putting my hand in a stream to block the flow of water. It works for a few seconds, then the water just finds its way around my hand and goes on, not caring that I am trying to stop it. I get the same results with simply coming back to the moment and the sensations around me, with focusing on my breath, and with counting breaths. I suppose I can just let it do its thing and in a few days it will go away. It's not quite at the PLEASE-SOMEBODY-MAKE-IT-STOP stage yet.

                          If anyone is interested, it is this song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSQk-4fddDI

                          Gassho,
                          然芸 Nengei
                          Sat today. LAH.
                          You deserve to be happy.
                          You deserve to be loved.
                          Oh great movie. We are going to see Hugh Jackman in NYC in June, I’m excited! I don’t invite my ear worms in, but I don’t chase them out, either. Sometimes the monkeys get annoyed but they are just monkeys [emoji205]
                          Gassho
                          Jakuden
                          SatToday/LAH


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                          • Rich
                            Member
                            • Apr 2009
                            • 2614

                            #73
                            What’s the song?

                            Sat/lah


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                            MUHYO
                            無 (MU, Emptiness) and 氷 (HYO, Ice) ... Emptiness Ice ...

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                            • Victor
                              Member
                              • Mar 2019
                              • 108

                              #74
                              This happened to me just last night during zazenkai! It was a song I don't even particularly like lol. "Bartender"
                              "Heaven is right where you are standing, and that is the place to train"-Ueshiba Morihei

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                              • Kyonin
                                Dharma Transmitted Priest
                                • Oct 2010
                                • 6750

                                #75
                                Lots of metal for me. Maybe a little too much Blind Guardian.

                                I usually let the full song play in my mind and then it fades away.

                                Gassho,

                                Kyonin
                                Sat/LAH
                                Hondō Kyōnin
                                奔道 協忍

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