Zazen and earworms

[Hoseki]

Obsessive-compulsive disorder:

Patients with OCD (lifetime prevalence >1%) typically suffer from obsessions and compulsions. Earworms are considered intrusions: unwelcome involuntary thoughts, they are a subtype of obsessions. People experiencing earworms as terribly annoying and stressful are more likely to express typical OCD symptoms (such as mysophobia — a fear of germs, dirt, and contamination).

http://bjgp.org/content/66/643/90

https://askthepsych.com/atp/2008/04/08/earworms/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4304165/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earworm

Gasho, Jishin, _/st\_

Hi Jishin,

Am I right in thinking that some intrusions are normal?


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[Rich]

Favorite earworms by new republic, Coldplay, the fray. Enjoy!

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[Jakuden]

Huh, OCD the only thing I thought I didn't have! [emoji23]

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[Jakuden]

Zazen and earworms

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OQlByoPdG6c

I dare anyone to listen to this all the way through and not get an earworm! [emoji218]
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[Jishin]

Hi Jishin,

Am I right in thinking that some intrusions are normal?


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Yes. Intrusions are normal. Except when they are not. They are not normal when they are bothersome to you or others.

It's not a problem unless it's a problem. [emoji2]

My 2 cents.

Gasho, Jishin, _/st\_

[Jishin]

Huh, OCD the only thing I thought I didn't have! [emoji23]

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You have a serious case. So severe you become a doctor because of it. It's all good as long as it is not bothersome to self or others. I would guess that you have other obsessions though...

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Gasho, Jishin, _/st\_

[Rich]

I thought zen was my ocd 🤗

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[Jishin]

Zazen and earworms

I thought zen was my ocd [emoji847]

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You are very very ill Rich.

Gasho, Jishin, _/st\_

[Jakuden]

You have a serious case. So severe you become a doctor because of it. It's all good as long as it is not bothersome to self or others. I would guess that you have other obsessions though...

[emoji2]

Gasho, Jishin, _/st\_

Actually, I have ADHD, so if anything, I have had trouble with keeping any routine and following through with anything I want to do. I chase shiny things and forget my intentions as fast as Dory in "Finding Nemo." (Deep bows to Jundo and Treeleaf Sangha for all your help with developing (relatively) consistent practice. ) Wouldn't be surprised if OCD was hiding in there somewhere, if it is, maybe I can "train it" to compulsively do good for others.

Just keep swimming! I mean sitting.

Sorry for hijacking the thread!

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[Jishin]

OCD and ADHD often times are comorbid. OCD symptoms can lead to inattentiveness, not being present. ADHD can cause obsessions and compulsive behavior to cope with ADHD.

There. Found it for you.

Gasho, Jishin, _/st\_

[Jakuden]

OCD and ADHD often times are comorbid. OCD symptoms can lead to inattentiveness, not being present. ADHD can cause obsessions and compulsive behavior to cope with ADHD.

There. Found it for you.

Gasho, Jishin, _/st\_

Yes! The second thing you said! Lol. I can offer Veterinary advice in payment for psychoanalysis [emoji12]

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[Jundo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NE_OoO-N54

Gassho, J

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[Jundo]

Zazen is not the presence of thinking. Zazen is not the absence of thinking. Zazen is to think not thinking. How do you think not-thinking? Non-thinking. This in itself is the essential art of zazen.

Zazen is not the presence of earworms. Zazen is not the absence of earworms. Zazen is to earworm not earworm. How do you earworm not-earworm? Non-earworm. This in itself is the essential art of zazen.

From the Xin Xin Mingworm ...

The Great Earworm is not difficult for those who do not pick and choose.

When preferences are cast aside the Earworm stands clear and undisguised.

If you cut off all likes or dislikes about earworms, the Earworm is clear like space.

But even slight distinctions made set ear and worm far apart.

If you would clearly hear the Earworm, discard opinions pro and con about earworms.

Neither run toward earworms, nor crawl away from earworms.

To founder in dislike and like of earworms is nothing but the ear's disease.

And not to see the Earworm's deep truth disturbs the ear's essential peace.

The Earworm is perfect like vast space, where there's no lack and no excess.

Our choice to choose and to reject earworms prevents our hearing this simple truth.

Both striving for silence as well as to hum the tune condemns us to entangled hearing.

Just calmly see that all earworms are One, that the Earworm neither comes or goes

and by themselves earworms will go.

Attempts to stop earworm activity will fill you with earworm activity.

Remaining in duality, you'll never know of Earworm unity.

And not to know this unity lets wormy conflict lead you far off key.

That is the only way to be truly rid of the earworm.

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[Seishin]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OQlByoPdG6c
I dare anyone to listen to this all the way through and not get an earworm! [emoji218]
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I've just started learning to play Stairway To Heaven and this thread started me non-thinking that this could soon become a non-earworm. Jakuden has now ensured this won't happen, as my head is now full of "a wimmer way" wash rinse repeat 10000 times then 10000 again. And that's without even listening to that record. As Kylie Minogue sung "I just can't get you outta my head". Will need to sit again today if this carries on or crank up some AC/DC. ��

[Katherine]

My crazy brain gives me all kinds of ear worms. But it is all grist for the mill.

Gassho!
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