Do we need to practice at real Zendo?

[Kakunen]

Do we need to practice at real Zendo?

Let Antaiji be Antaiji, Annonji be Annonji, Treeleaf be Treeleaf.

When is Rome, sit as the Romans sit.

郷に座っては郷に座え




Here at Treeleaf, I recommend a kind of "self checking method" (or better said "self-non-self checking method"

自己チェック方法 = 自己非自己チェック方法

When this Way is "working well" amid all the sunny days and storms of family job money and pride, life and death, sickness and health loss and gain, all the chaos of Samsara ...

... one just knows for how one now sees right through all the chaos of Samsara even amid all the chaos of Samsara. At Antaiji, one might know by how well one digs a hole, cuts down a tree, proper sitting posture for 10 hours ... here we know by how well we face flat tires, crying babies, happy babies, cancer, cancer cures, birthday parties, beautiful mountains, ugly urban scenes, a single flower or blade of grass ...

ときにこの方法は、すべての嵐ファミリージョブお金と誇り、生と死、病気や健康の損失と利得、輪廻のすべて の混乱の中で、「うまく機能して"されています...

...一つはただ一つ、今でも輪廻のすべての混乱の中で輪廻のすべての混乱を介して正見ている方法について は知っています。安泰寺で、1は1つが、穴を掘る, 10時間のための適切な着座姿勢、我々がすることによって知っているここに...木をカットダウンどれだけ によって知っているかもしれないどれだけ私たちは、フラットタイヤ、泣いて赤ちゃん、幸せな赤ちゃん、癌、 癌の治す、誕生日パーティー、美しい山々、醜いに直面都市のシーン... 一輪の花、草の刃 ...

古い禅みんなが言ったように、「一つは、熱いとして熱い, 冷温水などの冷水を知っています。」

As the old Zen Guys said, "One knows cold water as cold and hot water as hot. "

Gassho, J

SatToday

PS - It is my considered belief, talking with a lot of Zen folks over the years, that in the old days the Koan Zazen folks knew when someone "passed a Koan", not so much by the "right answer" they gave in the Dokusan room, but more by seeing their total behavior day in day out, how they reacted to life's crap in the monastery.

誰かが唯一の "正解"彼らは獨參ルームで与えたが、一日中そこに総行動の日に基づいて、「公案を通過した」ときに、古い 時代に公案座禅の人々は知っていた、彼らは人生のイベントに反応する方法による.

Actually, more than the Teacher knowing, it was the Teacher seeing the confidence in the student's life, and knowing that the student knew. Thus even then, it was a kind of self-not-self checking method.

実際には、知っている先生よりも、それは弟子の生活の中で自信を見て先生があって、弟子が知っていたことを 知っています。これはその時でさえ、それは自己非自己チェック方法のようなものでした

Please teach me about checking method.

And please post in English.Google Japanese translation is not good for our communication. I am sorry if you feel bad.

合掌

[Kakunen]

I read this thread.

I feel difficult to talk about Sangha here.

So this is truth.So Japanese people come here is difficult.

I was at Antaiji was International Zendo,and Annonnji is also international.
Monk of Annonnji was graduate American University.

I saw lots of people from oversea,and communicate under difficult situation.

I was at such like situation of communicate with western Zen.
But I can not communicate well.

So we will think about communication.
I hope you to do more effort to know other culture.

I will keep on staying here.
If we are at difficult situation,that is very important to think again of our practice.

Let us remove our separation of culture and Sangha.


We all Japanese always express thank you mind to get off train and Bus.
Masahiro Tanaka at Yankees say I am sorry to have injure.

We are all separate now,this is fact.So we can practice.

I hope many Japanese come here at Zendo.I respect Antaiji and Annonji.So they have effort to welcome to people from oversea.

We do Gassho.

[Kakunen]

http://www.treeleaf.org/forums/showthread.php?14154-Respect-Nishijima-Roshi&p=171513#post171513

I post here at my mind of our Sangha.

[Jinyo]

Thank you for your answer to Konan's question Jundo

As no one can really know what is in another person's heart we have to go by external behaviour. How we are in the
world is ultimately of more importance than how we are observed to be sitting or how articulate we are at talking about Buddhism.
I would think 'shining/turning the light within means that we ultimately need to check in with ourselves as to how we are doing.

But - yes - it's good to have a teacher pointing us in the right direction - then we have to learn to walk the path in our own steps and
see where it leads us.

Gassho

Willow/Jinyo

sat today

[Rich]

Konan,
I disagree with everyone. Don't check yourself. It's just another game of the ego. Just sit and don't be so concerned about where and with whom you are sitting with.

Will sit now

[Jishin]

I disagree with everyone. Don't check yourself. It's just another game of the ego. Just sit and don't be so concerned about where and with whom you are sitting with.

I disagree with everyone. Don't check yourself. It's just another game of the ego. Just sit and don't be so concerned about where and with whom you are sitting with. :-)

Gasho, Jishin, _/st\_

[Jundo]

I was at such like situation of communicate with western Zen.
But I can not communicate well.

You do fine.

I feel that you are a bit stressed right now with the new job and life changes you mentioned on the Nishijima Roshi thread. That probably has you a bit off balance.

We are all separate now,this is fact.So we can practice.

Sawaki Roshi once said ...

You can’t even trade a single fart with the next guy. Each and every one of us has to live out his own life. Don’t waste time thinking about who’s most talented.

●屁ひとつだって、人と貸し借りできんやないか。人人みな「自己」を生きねばならない。お前とわしとどちら が器量がいいか悪いかーそんなこと比べてみんかてええ。

Please teach me about checking method.

Find your own, but here is mine.

When I was in the hospital room with my nearly dying daughter, crying yet completely at peace ... as one.

When the sun rose, and it was so beautiful ... and I did not try to hold on to it or make it more.

When the car crashed, and that was just what was. I was shaking for a time, took some time to heal ... but somehow it was just what was.

As I get older, the time passes, I get even older, health this and that... and all not a problem.

When there are big problems in my life which I work to fix (like with you, Mr. K. and everyone ) .... but also feeling nothing to fix. Fix and no fix as one.

When my best friend died last year, and I missed him so much and grieved at the loss ... yet felt no loss at all, all as one. Big Buddha Smile crossed my face as a tear came down my eye.

When I find my heart opening to other people.

Those are just examples, but each and every day has so many "litmus test" opportunities to put this Practice to the test.

Stuff like that. Find your own.

You know it when you taste it.

Gassho, J

[Jakuden]

Konan,
I disagree with everyone. Don't check yourself. It's just another game of the ego. Just sit and don't be so concerned about where and with whom you are sitting with.

Will sit now

This is truth!!

Let Antaiji be Antaiji, Annonji be Annonji, Treeleaf be Treeleaf.

When is Rome, sit as the Romans sit.

郷に座っては郷に座え




Here at Treeleaf, I recommend a kind of "self checking method" (or better said "self-non-self checking method"

自己チェック方法 = 自己非自己チェック方法

When this Way is "working well" amid all the sunny days and storms of family job money and pride, life and death, sickness and health loss and gain, all the chaos of Samsara ...

... one just knows for how one now sees right through all the chaos of Samsara even amid all the chaos of Samsara. At Antaiji, one might know by how well one digs a hole, cuts down a tree, proper sitting posture for 10 hours ... here we know by how well we face flat tires, crying babies, happy babies, cancer, cancer cures, birthday parties, beautiful mountains, ugly urban scenes, a single flower or blade of grass ...

ときにこの方法は、すべての嵐ファミリージョブお金と誇り、生と死、病気や健康の損失と利得、輪廻のすべて の混乱の中で、「うまく機能して"されています...

...一つはただ一つ、今でも輪廻のすべての混乱の中で輪廻のすべての混乱を介して正見ている方法について は知っています。安泰寺で、1は1つが、穴を掘る, 10時間のための適切な着座姿勢、我々がすることによって知っているここに...木をカットダウンどれだけ によって知っているかもしれないどれだけ私たちは、フラットタイヤ、泣いて赤ちゃん、幸せな赤ちゃん、癌、 癌の治す、誕生日パーティー、美しい山々、醜いに直面都市のシーン... 一輪の花、草の刃 ...

古い禅みんなが言ったように、「一つは、熱いとして熱い, 冷温水などの冷水を知っています。」

As the old Zen Guys said, "One knows cold water as cold and hot water as hot. "

Gassho, J

SatToday

PS - It is my considered belief, talking with a lot of Zen folks over the years, that in the old days the Koan Zazen folks knew when someone "passed a Koan", not so much by the "right answer" they gave in the Dokusan room, but more by seeing their total behavior day in day out, how they reacted to life's crap in the monastery.

誰かが唯一の "正解"彼らは獨參ルームで与えたが、一日中そこに総行動の日に基づいて、「公案を通過した」ときに、古い 時代に公案座禅の人々は知っていた、彼らは人生のイベントに反応する方法による.

Actually, more than the Teacher knowing, it was the Teacher seeing the confidence in the student's life, and knowing that the student knew. Thus even then, it was a kind of self-not-self checking method.

実際には、知っている先生よりも、それは弟子の生活の中で自信を見て先生があって、弟子が知っていたことを 知っています。これはその時でさえ、それは自己非自己チェック方法のようなものでした

And this is truth!! Not two!!

This thread is actually making clearer how Treeleaf, Antaiji, other Zendo, no difference... Konan, you are struggling with the same mental formations we all do, regardless of where or with whom we sit.

Gassho,
Jakuden
SatToday

[alan.r]

Thank you for your answer to Konan's question Jundo

Yes, it's a lovely description of "checking." Thank you Jundo.

Gassho,
Alan
sat today

[Rich]

I disagree with everyone. Don't check yourself. It's just another game of the ego. Just sit and don't be so concerned about where and with whom you are sitting with. :-)

Gasho, Jishin, _/st\_

Actually I agree with Jishin. -) 😊😁😃

SAT today

[Mp]

Just sit and don't be so concerned about where and with whom you are sitting with. :-)

Zendo or no Zendo, just sit. If the Zendo is in your heart, if the Buddha, Dharma, and Sangha are in your heart, then this is good zazen, this is good practice. =)

Gassho
Shingen

#sattoday

[Nindo]

Since there are no Zen temples in Mexico, I have to go to wherever I can if time and money allow.

Kyonin, this may only be a matter of time:

http://www.joseshinzanpalma.org/

(Of course I realize that Mexico is a big country and Shinzan may set up shop far away from you eventually ....)

Gassho
Nindo

[Frank]

Shingen..."Zendo or no Zendo, just sit"
Absoultely!

Reminds me a little of what Bruce Lee said about the name, Jeet Kune Do. He said take what you can use, discard the rest. It's just a name.

Gassho
Frank
Sattoday

[Jeremy]

I disagree with everyone. Don't check yourself. It's just another game of the ego. Just sit and don't be so concerned about where and with whom you are sitting with.

Well, another game is to check your own ego (not while sitting, I hasten to add).

From Kosho Uchiyama, translated by Abbot Muhô: http://antaiji.org/archives/eng/kosh...ama-monk.shtml

You should not forget though that to practice the Buddha way means to let go of the self and practice egolessness. To let go off the self and practice egolessness again means to let go off the measuring stick that we are always carrying around with us in our brains.

Others talk about the ego as acting like a self-referential filter through which we see the world.

How far have you let go of the measuring stick? How far do your perceptions, thoughts and actions reflect your ego?

If you're moving house, do you look for another house which fits your idea of your own social status, or will you be grateful to have a roof over your head?
When someone criticizes something you did, do you get agitated and upset, or do you clearly see their point of view and what needs to be done?
And so on with questions which reveal your own sense of self...

I don't even know if I would want to pass these checks It's illuminating to think about serious Zen dudes like Kodo Sawaki and Kosho Uchiyama in this light.

step lightly... stay free...
Jeremy
st

[Amelia]

I have seen some things and read some things over the years that indicate you must leave home to join a monastery, because if you do not live in a truly Buddhist environment, it is nearly impossible to practice because of the distractions of home life. What I think is wonderful about Treeleaf is that we are all learning how to make home and all of life a practice environment. We can't just go to the zendo and then drop it and go home. The zendo is everywhere and we can't drop it at all. We all are right here, practicing all the time. No home to leave. No illusion of austerity.

I watch videos of things going on at Antaiji and Tassajara and other lovely places and sometimes I feel that I do not have "that." I need "that." But there is no "that." That is just my imagination conjuring up an image of what I think Practice looks like and comparing it to my own way of living. What is happening in those places of practice is no different from what happens in my mind or from what happens in my own home, although it looks a lot more organized. We just sleep, sit, eat, clean, and go to the bathroom. Just taking care of life and trying not to become distracted by illusions. One big illusion for me is a perceived difference between my practice forms and another person's. If we are both sincere, there is no difference.

Gassho, sat today