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  • MyoHo
    Member
    • Feb 2013
    • 632

    #61
    Hi Jundo,

    That's it! That's it! That's it! That's it! that's it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    If one sits on the zafu, one can never say Look! This is "me" because it is already changed. Like when in an airplane, car or anything moving, you can never say "here I am" because in the time it takes to say or think this, you already are somewhere else. You're here and there and nowhere at the same time. What is reality then? Are you here? Nope, Are you here? Nope etc.

    Still, in relatives we are in the quiet airplane having tea (or in heavy turbulence puking in a bag and hoping it will end soon, your choice), we all are. In absolute we are all crossing the globe screaming fast at nearly Mach 1 and at an altitude of 30.000 feet. We say I'm here, in this airplane, right now because we need to say this or we cannot function.

    To say sitting in the airplane chair is the whole truth and acting like that is a mistake. To say we are nowhere and acting like that is also wrong. Sitting maybe is a lot like looking out the window at times to admire the view, seeing that huge, beautiful globe and all possibilities out there (I often have done this during downtime on long flights). How fast, how high, where, all don't matter. Shut up and see how beautiful and mysterious it all is.

    On long flights a passenger, kids usually but also dads with kids eyes, would sometimes come into the cockpit and always ask "So...where are we exactly?" We always had to laugh about that question. My joke ( all pilots have one) was to look bewildered on a map ( not really the place to look anyway, not the way it works lol) and say: "Aha! so that's where we are going!" A joke, because you don't tell a kid ( or most dads) exactly where we are at that moment. He or she would never get into an airplane again !

    So we are both here and not here. Sutch! and What? at the same time. OH Jundo, how very wonderful! How? HOW!

    How is this Inmo written in Japanese?

    Gassho

    E.
    Mu

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    • Myosha
      Member
      • Mar 2013
      • 2974

      #62
      Thank you.


      Gassho,
      Edward
      "Recognize suffering, remove suffering." - Shakyamuni Buddha when asked, "Uhm . . .what?"

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      • Shokai
        Dharma Transmitted Priest
        • Mar 2009
        • 6443

        #63
        何でも --- Jundo, is this close enough (although it only represents one side ! )
        could this be the other side? あの様な

        OR can inmo be written in Japanese?
        Last edited by Shokai; 10-09-2013, 11:24 AM.
        合掌,生開
        gassho, Shokai

        仁道 生開 / Jindo Shokai

        "Open to life in a benevolent way"

        https://sarushinzendo.wordpress.com/

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        • Jundo
          Treeleaf Founder and Priest
          • Apr 2006
          • 40841

          #64
          Originally posted by Enkyo
          How is this Inmo written in Japanese?
          恁麼 Immo or Inmo in Japanese, Jenmo in Chinese.

          Here is a sample of Dogen's Shobogenzo Inmo, riffing on Inmo. Yakusan's question reminds me a bit of Enkyo's question here. Nishijima Roshi and Chodo Cross, the translators here, went with "It" for Immo (sounds like the title of a horror flix), but I will try "How." The key phrase is something like ...

          まことにそれ恁麼不恁麼總不得なるゆゑに、恁麼不得なり、不恁麼不得なり
          Truly, because to be like that/it/what/such or not to be like that/it/what/such is altogether impossible, to be like that/it/what/such is impossible and not to be like that/it/what/such is impossible.

          Great Master Musai of Nangakuzan, on one occasion, is asked
          by Yakusan, “The three vehicles and the twelve divisions of the teaching
          I roughly know. [But] I have heard that in the south there is direct pointing
          at the human mind, realizing the nature and becoming buddha. Frankly, I
          have not clarified [how] yet. I beg you, Master, out of compassion, to teach
          me [how].”

          This is Yakusan’s question. Yakusan in the past had been a lecturer;
          he had thoroughly understood the meaning of the three vehicles and
          the twelve divisions of the teaching [i.e., Buddhist philosophy in the books].
          So it seems there was no Buddha-Dharma at all that was unclear to him. ... The great
          master says, “To [get How] is impossible. Not to [get How] is impossible.
          To [get How] or not to [get How] is altogether impossible. What do
          you make of How?” These are the words spoken by the great master for Yakusan.
          Truly, because “to [get How] or not to [get How] is altogether impossible,”
          “to [get How] is impossible” and “not to [get How] is impossible.”
          “[How]” describes [how]. How is not [a matter of] the limited usefulness of
          words and not [a matter of] the unlimited usefulness of words: we should
          learn “How” in the state of impossibility, and we should inquire into “impossibility”
          in the state of “How.” It is not that this concrete “How,” and “the impossible,”
          are relevant only to the consideration of buddhas. To understand it is
          impossible. To realize it is impossible.


          Enkyo ... How's That?!!? Do you "get It" or find It impossible?

          Gassho, J
          Last edited by Jundo; 10-10-2013, 04:53 AM.
          ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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          • MyoHo
            Member
            • Feb 2013
            • 632

            #65
            Thank you Jundo. You have been SOOOOOOO generous and patient!

            I feel so small and won't push my luck and fortune any further today. This HOW I will study, think about it, search for in other texts, munch and crunch, then throw it away and go sit only to return to HOW. Sit closest to the door and start anew and fresh, all over again.

            Redundancy question: In the last line you left "it" as "it". This because in the last sentences "it" refers to what has been said before, correct?

            Great stuff to work with! Love it!

            Deep bows

            Enkyo
            Mu

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            • Shokai
              Dharma Transmitted Priest
              • Mar 2009
              • 6443

              #66
              Already being a person who is it, why worry about the matter that is it?
              Thank you Jundo and Enkyo

              gassho,

              _/\_ _/\_ _/\_
              合掌,生開
              gassho, Shokai

              仁道 生開 / Jindo Shokai

              "Open to life in a benevolent way"

              https://sarushinzendo.wordpress.com/

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              • pinoybuddhist
                Member
                • Jun 2010
                • 462

                #67
                I've been following this discussion for quite some time. Nothing to add - just savoring the exchange. Thank you all for the discussion.



                Rafael

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                • Rich
                  Member
                  • Apr 2009
                  • 2615

                  #68
                  How now brown cow.

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                  Rich
                  MUHYO
                  無 (MU, Emptiness) and 氷 (HYO, Ice) ... Emptiness Ice ...

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                  • Jundo
                    Treeleaf Founder and Priest
                    • Apr 2006
                    • 40841

                    #69
                    Originally posted by Enkyo

                    Redundancy question: In the last line you left "it" as "it". This because in the last sentences "it" refers to what has been said before, correct?
                    Is It? Is It!
                    Last edited by Jundo; 10-12-2013, 02:30 AM.
                    ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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                    • ZenHarmony
                      Member
                      • Feb 2012
                      • 315

                      #70
                      Wow

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                      • kidbuda
                        Member
                        • Dec 2011
                        • 233

                        #71
                        Nothing to add to this thread, lots to learn. Thanks to all.

                        kb

                        Gassho
                        Dancing between stillness and motion I find peace.

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                        • Taigu
                          Blue Mountain White Clouds Hermitage Priest
                          • Aug 2008
                          • 2710

                          #72
                          Your question, Robt, has a taste of medieval debate: do angels have a sex? And if so which one?

                          In dokusan , you don t even get into the room.

                          In life, I don't know.

                          Don't misundestand me, please, you are a very sincere and dedicated person, and that's why This will be my answer!

                          Where do your question comes from?

                          Please, investigate.


                          Gassho


                          T.

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                          • Myosha
                            Member
                            • Mar 2013
                            • 2974

                            #73
                            Thank you.


                            Gassho,
                            Edward
                            "Recognize suffering, remove suffering." - Shakyamuni Buddha when asked, "Uhm . . .what?"

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                            • Jundo
                              Treeleaf Founder and Priest
                              • Apr 2006
                              • 40841

                              #74
                              Originally posted by Taigu
                              Your question, Robt, has a taste of medieval debate: do angels have a sex? And if so which one?
                              Well, now I am curious. DO angels have sex? And "which one" what?

                              I had to check. Seems there is something of a debate on this:



                              Gassho, J
                              ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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                              • Oheso
                                Member
                                • Jan 2013
                                • 294

                                #75
                                Originally posted by Taigu

                                In dokusan , you don t even get into the room.

                                In life, I don't know.
                                in life, pretty much the same as in dokusan.

                                thank you.
                                and neither are they otherwise.

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