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  • Nindo
    • Jul 2024

    Spiritual Friendship

    Got this via facebook. I don't know the source, but I found it very touching.

    On Spiritual Friendship
    by Zoketsu Norman Fischer

    Some of the people you know now, who you are practicing with now, are going to be, and are already becoming, your close spiritual friends. These people are the most precious thing in the world to you. These relationships in spiritual practice are unique. They are not the same as other relationships. There is a quality to them that touches the absolute. It touches something beyond our personalities. This is not the case with ordinary human interaction and relationships. In spiritual practice we know that we are doing that together. We know that we are touching one another at that level. People who have that interaction and that relationship with one another move each other so much that your life is never the same.

    So that is already there in your lives now. Maybe it takes forty years to realize, “Oh, we have done that together. We’ve had that precious time together.” You don’t realize it until it is over. But it is there now in you, so think of that. Think of who those people are for you and remember how precious they are.

    I always tell people that you think you are going to the meditation hall for yourself. No. You are going there because of the other people there meditating. That is why you need to go. Don’t go for yourself. That only goes so far. If you are going for yourself, you won’t last very long, because there are too many other things that you want to do for yourself that will be more compelling. But if you are going there because you know that these other people sitting in the hall with you are the treasures of your life, then you are going there in a way that will really transform your life and will transform your heart forever and ever.
  • Koshin
    Member
    • Feb 2012
    • 938

    #2
    Beautiful...So true.... thank you my Spritual friend

    Gassho
    Thank you for your practice

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    • Nindo

      #3
      Originally posted by lipor
      Beautiful...So true.... thank you my Spritual friend

      Gassho
      ... and you too.

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      • Mp

        #4
        Originally posted by lipor
        Beautiful...So true.... thank you my Spritual friend

        Gassho
        Yes, I agree with Lipor ... Thank you Nindo.

        Gassho
        Michael

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        • Shonin
          Member
          • Apr 2009
          • 885

          #5
          I think I like that alot really. Thanks for that.
          _/\_ Dave

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          • Heisoku
            Member
            • Jun 2010
            • 1338

            #6
            You are all a place I come to...to practice....to clarify....to learn.....and to just be with. Thank you for this reminder Nindo.
            Gassho. Nigel.
            Heisoku 平 息
            Every day is a journey, and the journey itself is home. (Basho)

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            • Jinyo
              Member
              • Jan 2012
              • 1957

              #7
              Thank you Nindo - that is so true.

              Gassho

              Willow

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              • RichardH
                Member
                • Nov 2011
                • 2800

                #8
                Absolutely.

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                • disastermouse

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Nindo
                  Got this via facebook. I don't know the source, but I found it very touching.
                  Geez, I seem to be Nindo's contrarian lately, but I disagree with this post.

                  I'm hardly an example in my daily sitting practice, but with many other practices in my life, I have found myself to be stronger in these practices because I do them alone. If your practice can't survive without the support of other people, you are not curious enough. You're not fed up enough with your dissatisfaction and you're not curious enough about its causes. This isn't necessarily a problem though, as eventually, I think we all end up very disappointed in dukkha. Maybe this just isn't the lifetime that you're tired enough of dissatisfaction.

                  If zazen is a grinding, repressing practice of 'self-control', it will require considerable support and willpower....but that should also be an indication that something is wrong with your practice - not because your ego doesn't like it, but because the OTHER part of your ego that you think isn't your ego is at war with the part of yourself that hates it. Lately, I've been sitting more lightly by ignoring both voices.

                  Chet

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                  • Shonin
                    Member
                    • Apr 2009
                    • 885

                    #10
                    Ya know ,Chet. Actually....

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                    • Kyotai

                      #11
                      Thank you Nindo

                      Gassho..

                      Shawn

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                      • RichardH
                        Member
                        • Nov 2011
                        • 2800

                        #12
                        Originally posted by disastermouse

                        I'm hardly an example in my daily sitting practice, but .....

                        It is tempting to shoot fish in a barrel... nuff said.

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                        • Jiken
                          Member
                          • Jan 2011
                          • 753

                          #13
                          I treasure this sangha as well. Thanks Nindo.

                          Gassho,

                          Daido

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                          • Hans
                            Member
                            • Mar 2007
                            • 1853

                            #14
                            Hello,

                            from the Upaddha Sutta (thanks go out to Access to Insight)

                            I have heard that on one occasion the Blessed One was living among the Sakyans. Now there is a Sakyan town named Sakkara. There Ven. Ananda went to the Blessed One and, on arrival, having bowed down to the Blessed One, sat to one side. As he was sitting there, Ven. Ananda said to the Blessed One, "This is half of the holy life, lord: admirable friendship, admirable companionship, admirable camaraderie."[1]

                            "Don't say that, Ananda. Don't say that. Admirable friendship, admirable companionship, admirable camaraderie is actually the whole of the holy life. When a monk has admirable people as friends, companions, & comrades, he can be expected to develop & pursue the noble eightfold path.

                            "And how does a monk who has admirable people as friends, companions, & comrades, develop & pursue the noble eightfold path? There is the case where a monk develops right view dependent on seclusion, dependent on dispassion, dependent on cessation, resulting in relinquishment. He develops right resolve... right speech... right action... right livelihood... right effort... right mindfulness... right concentration dependent on seclusion, dependent on dispassion, dependent on cessation, resulting in relinquishment. This is how a monk who has admirable people as friends, companions, & colleagues, develops & pursues the noble eightfold path.

                            "And through this line of reasoning one may know how admirable friendship, admirable companionship, admirable camaraderie is actually the whole of the holy life: It is in dependence on me as an admirable friend that beings subject to birth have gained release from birth, that beings subject to aging have gained release from aging, that beings subject to death have gained release from death, that beings subject to sorrow, lamentation, pain, distress, & despair have gained release from sorrow, lamentation, pain, distress, & despair. It is through this line of reasoning that one may know how admirable friendship, admirable companionship, admirable camaraderie is actually the whole of the holy life."


                            Gassho,


                            Hans Chudo Mongen

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                            • disastermouse

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Kojip
                              It is tempting to shoot fish in a barrel... nuff said.
                              I'm not sure what this means. If I drop the story that I haven't been sitting enough, there's really no problem.

                              I think you missed the point of my post.

                              Chet

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