Chöd and other Buddhist approaches to practical demonkeeping

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  • disastermouse

    #46
    An Invitation:

    Originally posted by Rich
    It's not that the demons just disappear from existence, it's that we learn to not give them so much time and attention. Suffering, old age and death is just the way we are, the demons didn't make that but if you give them power they'll make it seem a lot worse.
    At the risk of once again being the guy who says, 'You're wrong' (Everybody hates that guy, don't they?) - I'd just like to invite you to consider a different way of looking at the shadows and demons of the mind.

    It's been my experience that you can't starve a demon - starving is what makes demons. Is anything so fearsome and desperate as an animal neglected, starving, and backed into a corner? There's a difference between paying attention to a demon and indulging a demon. When you indulge a demon, it chases you, or it pulls you, or it numbs you. Either way, you're not really interacting with the demon so much as reacting to it.

    What the shadows and dark places within ourselves really want is attention, not indulgence. They want to be looked at and acknowledged.

    When you open the door and let the demons and shadows into your life, you may find that they become something altogether different. In fact, they were never really demons at all. It's important to remember that these things that trouble us so much are us.

    I've done the 'Feeding Your Demons' thing a few times - not a lot, but just a few times. If it's not too indulgent, I'd like to share the experience with you and see what you think.

    One of my demons is a bit too personally specific to share (it just won't translate very well), but another one is one that I think a lot of us struggle with. I struggle with a constant fear of loss, of screwing up and losing what has become a fairly stable and advantageous situational reality for me here. I struggle with a fear of being rejected, fired, ejected, outcast. I think that a lot of us feel some of that. There's always a weird little tension in groups....and at the center of that tension is often the instinctive fear of being pushed out of the pack. To dispense with the description, this demon can be called 'Insecurity'.

    So...I worked with that demon in a 'Feeding Your Demons' process. It starts with nine breathes...in with breath and a release of tension on the out breaths. The first three breaths relate to physical tension. Feel where tension is in your body, breathe into it, and exhale the tension. The second three breaths are similar, but are given to emotional tension. The last three breaths relate to mental tension. At that point, you try to develop a sincere desire to help all beings. Sometimes this can take a while, LOL.

    Then you think of the issue or demon you want to work with. Then you attempt to locate a place in your body that pertains to this demon, a place that is painful or tense. For me, this place is in my chest and often manifests as a tightness in the chest and an ache and tingling that spreads out to my spine..like that feeling you get in your spine when you're terrified that something otherworldly is watching you. Then you imagine what this feeling looks, smells, feels, and tastes like. Be vivid. In my case most recently, this demon felt sharp, metallic, and tasted like metal and oil (I've never eaten motor oil, but it looked like motor oil and tasted like grease and cement). At this point, you create a sentient form for this feeling and the sense perceptions attached to it.

    For me, the demon manifested as a humanoid figure made of sharp metal shards, thin, with metal-rubbing sounds when it moved and spikes jutting out all over. It felt greasy or slick - like an assemblage of oiled knives and sharp needles...it smelled like semi-burned/hot motor oil. It had yellow, sunken eyes beneath a hard metal face that shifted when it moved. It was slightly taller and much skinnier than me - an oily pile of greasy knives and needles shaped in the form of a human, with long, Freddy Krueger-like knives for fingers. And it was pissed! It seethed with malevolence and ill will.

    When you do this process, you sit in a chair with an 'empty' chair in front of you - very close, and you manifest the demon so close that your legs and feet and the legs and feet of the imagined demon touch. After conjuring the demon, you ask it three questions: 'What do you want from me?' 'What do you NEED from me?' 'How will you feel when you get what you NEED?'

    After asking these three questions, you switch places - literally, you take the other chair, eyes closed - and 'become' the demon...you fill up it's physical presence..while imagining yourself sitting across from you...and, stream of thought, in a 'first thought, best thought' sort of way, you answer the questions.

    My demon said, 'I want you to be afraid. I want you to feel as hungry and frightened and monstrous as I do. I want you to feel like you can never rest because I feel like I can never rest. I want you to feel helpless, hopeless, and invisible.'

    Then, it said, 'I NEED you to acknowledge me. I need you to acknowledge that I have something important to say to you. I need to be in the spacious openness of the day. I need you to listen to me. I need you to acknowledge that I'm valuable, important, and useful - and not something to be thrown away or shoved in a cramped, dark place.'

    Lastly, it said, 'When I get what I need, I'll feel like I'm contributing. I'll feel honored, valuable, and loved.'

    At this point, you switch places again and take your own 'body'...and then you imagine yourself dissolving into whatever substance is appropriate or comes to mind (for me, it was honey-like, clean, premium synthetic oil, but a smidge sparklier) and you feed the demon this substance - which is your very body - until it is satisfied. Often, as the demon becomes satisfied, it changes form - subtly, at first. For my demon, it's knives and needles started to round at first, the sound of rubbing metal disappeared, the smell of semi-burned oil began to change into the smell of a new machine - a bit like the new-car-smell, but even cleaner. The metal of the demon which had begun as dark and black and greasy began to shine with reflected light, like clean metal..and the spikes and knives began to melt into a hard but inviting outer 'shell'. By the time the demon was satisfied, it had transformed into an android-like robot. It was very inviting, somehow.

    At this point, you can either dissolve yourself and this new form the demon takes into nothingness and sit with that for awhile, or you can dialogue with your 'ally'. First, ask this 'demon' in it's new form (suddenly not very demonlike) if it is your ally. Sometimes it's not - if it isn't, you thank it and ask if it will allow your ally to appear. In my case, this android-robot WAS my ally.

    Then, you ask the ally three questions:

    'How will you help me?'
    'How will you protect me?'
    'What pledge or commitment do you make to me?'
    'How can I gain access to you?'

    Then, as with the demon, you change places - fully embody the ally, and answer the questions. Finally, you and the ally dissolve into one another, and then into emptiness. Then you sit as emptiness.

    This process brought great peace to me. I noticeably stopped feeling the urge to spend money on frivolous things (the urge came back later, but the peace and reduced urge lasted the whole of the day, at least...and when the urges came back, they were not as strong).

    Anyway - sorry if that description was too long and personal...but I think it illustrates a different way of interacting with one's shadows and demons besides just starving them of attention.

    *gassho*

    Chet

    (Oh yeah - I forgot to fully explain the significance of the 'android' - the android is the 'automatic' and 'reliable' part of me that can be trusted to do the necessary tasks to keep me secure and safe..)

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    • Grizzly
      Member
      • Mar 2010
      • 119

      #47
      Re: Chöd and other Buddhist approaches to practical demonkeeping

      Hi Chet
      What you said was spot on IMHO.
      You describe something that, minus some of the 'ritual' around it, is close to what I was saying as a psychotherapeutic method I use a lot with folks. We can treat ourselves as an alliance of beings for practical purposes. Each being has a purpose (not reason)..something they were created to do. If that purpose is subjugated or denied then the demon arises. When acknowledged the demon transforms. However, if it doesnt stay transformed then its 'demon-ness' is again necessary in your life OR the orginal process didn't get to the core purpose and offer better ways of achieveing that purpose.
      It can be done with the two chairs..to make sure the unconscious gets its say by switching rapidly between the chairs works better for some folks (after some embarrassment at talking to oneself spontaneously and starting off with self-conscious stuff to begin with, in lots of cases). It can be done with two chairs and visualisation but no movement- if one has the ability to not interfere. It can be done without any ritual at all. It can even be done without any conscious awareness of the 'part of you'!
      My maps and models post relates to this.
      Best wishes all.
      Rich

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      • Rich
        Member
        • Apr 2009
        • 2614

        #48
        Re: Chöd and other Buddhist approaches to practical demonkeeping

        Thanks Chet, I'll try something like that. And I do agree they are part of us so a process of acknowlegement and acceptance that you described, over time will probably lead to less time and attention required of them, hopefully.
        /Rich
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        Rich
        MUHYO
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        • sittingzen
          Member
          • May 2010
          • 188

          #49
          Re: Chöd and other Buddhist approaches to practical demonkeeping

          Keishin,

          I'm going to frame this!

          Gassho,

          SZ

          Originally posted by Keishin
          I am late to this party! Hellos to all here, my thoughts, such as they are:

          the mind is an a maze ing place

          it a mazes me all the time

          as I get caught in my a maze ment at the extraordinary richness, the dire paucity, the nuanced and the blatant
          the preposterous and the hypothesis

          so curly, the curlicues of mind

          zazen: to my utter dis maze, show me how whispy these hedgerows of thought I am corralled in by

          and how these whisps are my fetters

          zazen:

          guaranteed to un a maze you

          (ask for a refund if not completely satisfied)
          Shinjin datsuraku, datsuraku shinjin..Body-mind drop off, mind-body drop off..

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          • Taylor
            Member
            • May 2010
            • 388

            #50
            Re: Chöd and other Buddhist approaches to practical demonkeeping

            I suppose this may have been said a few times before but hey, an extra two cents can only add to the donation pile!

            Coming from what limited experience I have I have to say it all depends on the person and how they "spice their soup" I suppose. Some like it fiery and lively, many herbs, spices, fancy techniques, some instruction from a master chef. Others prefer miso, simple, "easy" (I have yet to make a satisfactory batch despite the "simplicity"), and refined. My best advice? Don't mix your recipes, it probably won't taste very good. I tried the spicy soup, and found a simpler recipe was right for me. I wish you well in your cooking!
            Gassho,
            Myoken
            [url:r05q3pze]http://staresatwalls.blogspot.com/[/url:r05q3pze]

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            • disastermouse

              #51
              Re: Chöd and other Buddhist approaches to practical demonkeeping

              Originally posted by Taylor
              I suppose this may have been said a few times before but hey, an extra two cents can only add to the donation pile!

              Coming from what limited experience I have I have to say it all depends on the person and how they "spice their soup" I suppose. Some like it fiery and lively, many herbs, spices, fancy techniques, some instruction from a master chef. Others prefer miso, simple, "easy" (I have yet to make a satisfactory batch despite the "simplicity"), and refined. My best advice? Don't mix your recipes, it probably won't taste very good. I tried the spicy soup, and found a simpler recipe was right for me. I wish you well in your cooking!
              Would you care to elaborate about what makes Chöd 'spicy' and Zen 'simple'?

              To me, it seems it's two entirely different things - but I don't necessarily think they're mutually exclusive - especially something as trimmed down as 'Feeding Your Demons'. Full on Chöd, maybe - but not the way it's presented in FYD.

              FYD is almost a purely 'psychological' practice. Shikantaza is most certainly not a psychological practice. I think the most important thing is to keep zazen primary and use any psychological practices as a way to develop the stability and basic sanity necessary to allow a genuine shikantaza practice. This may not seem as important to everyone...but from my own experience, I've learned that it's very necessary - and it can't really be taken for granted that everyone has sufficient stability or grounding. IMHO.

              Chet

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              • Taylor
                Member
                • May 2010
                • 388

                #52
                Re: Chöd and other Buddhist approaches to practical demonkeeping

                When I spoke of spice I was referring to Tibetan Buddhism in general in that there's a lot of stuff! Many different deities, meditation techniques, bells, whistles, smells, robes, etc...

                Not to say that Zen isn't complex but, for me, it's simpler IMHO.

                I agree about the psychological business, it's very much about transformation in the Vajrayana - that's why they call it the fruitional vehicle (rather than the Mahayana which is referred to the vehicle of the path by Vajrayana practioners). Based on what little experience I have, they refer to it as "pure perception"; i.e. I am this deity, the world is its mandala, my speech its mantra, etc... Transformation of our already present conditions. It is rather Zen-ny, to me, because things are taken as they are (sort of).

                But I'm an expert on nothing, just my perception :roll:
                Gassho,
                Myoken
                [url:r05q3pze]http://staresatwalls.blogspot.com/[/url:r05q3pze]

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