The Sitting Hall

[Shujin]

Re: The Sitting Hall

I would be willing to contribute for an ooVoo room; I suppose it's a question of getting a group on board for the idea. Like Janne, I think it's important to have a reliable sitting space.

I was able to run the zazenkai recording and MeBeam simultaneously tonight, but I'm fairly certain my computer couldn't handle both live.

For now, I'm in some kind of netherworld between the two. I'll probably sit with Don in the am on ooVoo and stay on MeBeam for evening sittings.

-Chris

[roky]

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problem is, for the last two years the zen hall has been mostly empty -- i should know, cause i've tried to get folks to sit in it, unsuccessfully, throughout that time -- its just not a high priority at treeleaf -- and if you can't fill the hall for free, how you gonna fill it when you're charging(take my word for it, its not the technical glitches that kept the hall empty)

for that matter, viewing zazenkai saturday on ustream, the most # of viewers was 10 -- woo hoo!! -- out of how many "members" of treeleaf? -- compare that to how many posts each day -- and this has also always been the case whenever i've sat the saturday live sits

ok, some of the folks are going to view the recorded version later -- but 10 live, sometimes i've seen it be 2, 3?

problem is, with the small amount of enthusiasm for sitting online, i again suggest that if we go with oovoo, 30 days from now we won't have the $240, oovoo will expire, and we'll again have an empty zen hall -- whereas now, mebeam is working better than ever,even if you have to "zoom" sometimes, and we have more folks in there than ever(for any noobs, yes, this is probably a new record)

its already getting a little confusing -- if i want to sit with someone on the schedule, are they in mebeam or oovoo? -- so to clear that up re;roky, i'm in mebeam, just was, it's working fine, just can't, on my netbook, work together with ustream

gassho, roky

[Shohei]

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... problem is, with the small amount of enthusiasm for sitting online, i again suggest that if we go with oovoo, 30 days from now we won't have the $240, oovoo will expire, and we'll again have an empty zen hall

Hi roky
I already pay for the oovoo subscription. I have been for a couple months and will continue to do so with no expectations of people ponying up for it - so no worries there.

Gassho
Shohei

[Shujin]

Re: The Sitting Hall

Roky,
thanks for your perspective. I'm new to Treeleaf, and by extension the Sitting Hall, so I didn't know what the core issue is regarding a lack of attendance. Whatever the eventual outcome of the case of MeBeam v ooVoo, if I'm on the Sitting Schedule, it'll be for MeBeam.

I just finished sitting there, and tried putting in a custom time on the schedule (1440-1515). The Schedule took that input, but then posted it without my screen name. MeBeam was working intermittently while I sat, but was in its "Kind of Blue" period. The normal blackness was replaced by a navy backdrop. Not a problem, just odd.

gassho,
Chris

[roky]

Re: The Sitting Hall

thanks, shohei, that is generous -- at the very least, oovoo will be a valuable alternative -- i'm assuming thats the 1 room/6 persons subscription? -- and if we wind up using it on a regular basis, i will be making a contribution(even if you don't want it)

chris, thanks for sitting in the hall, any hall -- sorry you had some difficulty, it worked fine for me today -- but if mebeam is going to be unstable, oovoo is the obvious choice -- lets see what happens -- i'm willing to sit in either one, just would like it if it was one or the other, not both, so that i know where someone is when they're on the scheduler -- in my afternoon sit today, i sat with janne and don in oovoo, and alone on mebeam -- because i'm on linux, i have to use a virtual machine for oovoo, and it only shows me as an icon, but it does identify me by name, and thats all thats needed -- at least thats what i see on my computer, i haven't heard from janne or don whether they could see my icon

i look forward(but not too forward) to when we've decided this, before the new enthusiasm is lost

gassho, roky

[Shohei]

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Hiya Thanks Roky
I agree about getting things settled. For the time being I have made a link at the top and bottom of the main hall saying Backup system basically. This points to a secondary page i made that embeds the oovoo version directly like mebeam. Take a look its not the best solution but its there for now until folks decide. I can pretty easily do the same for the meeting hall if need be. Lets decide which way to roll before weeks end, lets say?
Either Mebeam as the back up or Oovoo as the back up?


Gassho
Shohei

[Janne H]

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Hi, Roky, we could see your icon, just between our feeds, so that´s working. Do you have any sound capabilities at all? And if we are going with oovoo, it would be nice to also be able to see you sitting, so maybe we can together find a solution to your linux system, have you tried everything?

Gassho / Janne

[roky]

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janne, thanks for the feedback, its what i expected, and i'm just fine with that -- what i do like about oovoo, is that it has our names on each one, so the video isn't needed -- obviously, it would be needed for conversing, but i have skype for that(which does work in linux) -- and oovoo is supposedly developing a linux app, or some linux geek will come up with one, particularly since i'm using "mint', a variation of ubuntu -- for now, i much prefer sitting with everyone to talking or posting, so its no loss for me

so don't bother about my linux -- i am dual-booted with windows, so if i really want to be seen, i can go out of linux into windows -- i just prefer to stay in linux, even with the icon

shohei has a great idea that we get this settled by end of week -- i agree -- saturday i sat in mebeam, yesterday oovoo, and today with nadia, i think, in mebeam -- will be good to decide on a channel

gassho, roky

[Shujin]

Re: The Sitting Hall

I'll cast my vote for ooVoo.

Janne, was that you sitting with Don this morning? The only good thing about practicing at 0500 is that my eyes are already half closed....

gassho,
Chris

[Janne H]

Re: The Sitting Hall



Wasn´t me though.

[roky]

Re: The Sitting Hall

i'm not sure if everyone who uses the hall has seen our posts re: choosing one or the other, so i took the liberty of starting a separate topic "Cast your vote here for a sitting hall(mebeam or oovoo) " -- this way, that topic will only contain the actual "votes" of all who are sitting

roky

[Genkai]

Re: The Sitting Hall

Edited: This should have gone to the "Vote" thread... Sorry!

[Shinko]

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Tried accessing both zen hall and meeting hall and was unable to in Google Chrome. says I was using Safari 64 bit in snow leopard and to use a workaround that I was unable to use as I was not in Safari. Firefox refused to load either hall.

I then pulled up the plain old mebeam.com link and it no longer showed a camera image. I sat alone.. with no cam.

[Shohei]

Re: The Sitting Hall

Tried accessing both zen hall and meeting hall and was unable to in Google Chrome. says I was using Safari 64 bit in snow leopard and to use a workaround that I was unable to use as I was not in Safari. Firefox refused to load either hall.

I then pulled up the plain old mebeam.com link and it no longer showed a camera image. I sat alone.. with no cam.

Sorry to hear that Shinko,

*Edit had a big write up of what we could explore but here is the support page on the oovoo site:

The Web video calls and chat rooms are supported on Mac using the following browsers only:

* Safari
* Firefox - version 3.5 and higher.

Gassho
Shohei

[Shinko]

Re: The Sitting Hall

*Edit had a big write up of what we could explore but here is the support page on the oovoo site:

The Web video calls and chat rooms are supported on Mac using the following browsers only:

* Safari
* Firefox - version 3.5 and higher.

Gassho
Shohei

With an "get info " adaptation you can run your Safari in 32 bit mode. That means every website runs in it. I did find it funny that the application interface thinks I am running Safari when I'm in Chrome.
I do not see a place in FireFox to make any changes at all. I played with it a bit last night and finally got the "camera screen" to load but no image at all. (even when I remembered to take the lens cap off my cam)

I'll play more after work today.