Kesa OKESA, it is about time!

[Dosho]

Re: Kesa OKESA, it is about time!

Shohei and Dosho might be willing to help me too.

Looking forward to it!

[KellyRok]

Re: Kesa OKESA, it is about time!

Hello all,

I too am looking forward to undertaking this journey with all of you in the spring.

Many bows to all,
Kelly - Jinmei

[Shinko]

Re: Kesa OKESA, it is about time!

Hi All,

My fingers should be well by then, so count me in as well. I am looking forward to it!

[Taigu]

Re: Kesa OKESA, it is about time!

Dosho, Jinmei and Shinko, welcome!
For the moment let's enjoy the last whiffs of Winter!


gassho


Taigu

[Jinyu]

Re: Kesa OKESA, it is about time!

Hi Taigu,
Could you say a word about this kind of kesa? it's seems to be like a very big rakusu?



Gassho,
Luis

[Taigu]

Re: Kesa OKESA, it is about time!

The priest on the picture is Niwa Zenji who used to be the abbot of Eiheiji and is also one of the ancestors of Treeleaf... he is Jundo s grandfather in the Dharma ... Jundo s teacher s teacher and my great grandfather.


Yes, Luis, he is wearing a big rakusu that yopu can see on the shoulders of the main abbots of Sotoshu. We don t wear those things. We keep it simple. brown or blackish bib and that s it...

gassho


Taigu

[Jinyu]

Re: Kesa OKESA, it is about time!

The priest on the picture is Niwa Zenji who used to be the abbot of Eiheiji and is also one of the ancestors of Treeleaf... he is Jundo s grandfather in the Dharma

Yes, I picked the photo on Treeleaf lineage page. But,I already I've seen his picture here in Europe, because he's the one who transmitted the shiho to the heirs of Deshimaru Roshi a "few" years ago.

and my great grandfather

He's also "ours" isn't he?

Well, Thank you Taigu,

Gassho,
Luis/Jinyu

[ShinMeiDokuJoh]

Re: Kesa OKESA, it is about time!

Dear all,

an for those whose finished sewing the o-Kesa here on Youtube how to tie the o-Kesa:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xYiXETKajU[/video]]

and here the Kesa Chant:

Robe Chant
Takkesa Ge æè¢?è£?å? ã?つãã?ã' (Repeat 3 times)

大å??解è?±æ?
だã?ã?ã?ã'だっぷく
dai sai ge dappuku
How great the cloth of liberation,

��福�衣
ã??そã?ふくでã??ã?
mu so fuku den e
the formless field of virtue,


æ?«å¥?å¦?来æ??
ひぶにã??ã??ã?きã??ã?
hi bu nyorai kyo
I put on the teaching of the tathagatha,

åº?度諸è¡?ç??
ã?ã?どã?ã??ã?ã??ã?ã??ã?
ko do sho shu jo
vowing to save all suffering beings!

With best Wishes
ShinMeiDokuJoh

[ShinMeiDokuJoh]

Re: Kesa OKESA, it is about time!

Here an interesting text about Fukudenkai

This paper discusses twentieth-century Buddhist robe study and sewing groups called fukudenkai that were established after World War II by the Soto Zen priest and scholar Sawaki Kodo (1898-1965) and his disciples. The term fukudenkai refers to a metaphor of spiritual efficacy (a field of merit) that the robe embodies, and many participants believe that the act of sewing the robe in a context of meditation and formal Zen practice produces merit.

here's the link, I didn't manage to upload the document:

http://www.nanzan-u.ac.jp/SHUBUNKEN/pub ... df/697.pdf


With best wishes
ShinMeiDokuJoh

[ShinMeiDokuJoh]

Re: Kesa OKESA, it is about time!

and here some sewing instructions (in Japanese):

http://www.kogonji.jp/fukudenkai/fukudenkai.html

For Rakuzu ???? click here:
http://www.kogonji.jp/fukudenkai/3/3.html


For Zagu: ????
http://www.kogonji.jp/fukudenkai/11/11.html#za

For o-Kesa incl. drawings how to fold the o-Kesa before putting it in the bag:
http://www.kogonji.jp/fukudenkai/11/11.html#syo

For the bag: by the way, how do I spell the name for this bag in japanese?
http://www.kogonji.jp/fukudenkai/11/11.html#kesa

With best regards
ShinMeiDokuJoh

[Shohei]

Re: Kesa OKESA, it is about time!

Thank you very much ShinMeiDokuJoh!
Lots of helpful information and the link to the pdf. Great site! One quick word on the Kesa in Nishijima roshi's vid, It is a bit different from the Nyohoe that I think we are going to be sewing and therefore are put on a bit different but (different ties etc). Still very helpful for those with a similar robe! Is that robe in the video "regular" issue Sotoshu?
It has been a year since sewing my first Kesa and im still learning how to properly put it on and take it off Very much looking forward to sewing with everyone again!

Shohei and Dosho might be willing to help me too.

Indeed, However I can, it maybe by being a subtle teacher in what Not to do

Gassho
Shohei

[Dosho]

Re: Kesa OKESA, it is about time!

Shohei and Dosho might be willing to help me too.

Indeed, However I can, it maybe by being a subtle teacher in what Not to do

LOL! Indeed my dharma brother....indeed!

[ShinMeiDokuJoh]

Re: Kesa OKESA, it is about time!

... One quick word on the Kesa in Nishijima roshi's vid, It is a bit different from the Nyohoe that I think we are going to be sewing and therefore are put on a bit different but (different ties etc). Still very helpful for those with a similar robe! Is that robe in the video "regular" issue Sotoshu? ...

Dear Shohei, dear all,
yes in the video Nishijimi Roshi tucks parts of the o-Kesa inside on his chest,
here on this picture is a different style used, there is on the back the corner of the o-Kesa seen.
So me too I am not shure of the Nyohoe wrapping style

http://www.flickr.com/photos/renshin/41 ... 907161179/

Here's the full album, this sangha uses a real nice blue colour:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/renshin/se ... 907161179/

With best regards
ShinMeiDokuJoh

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[Shohei]

Re: Kesa OKESA, it is about time!

LOL! Indeed my dharma brother....indeed!

:lol:

Hi ShinMeiDokuJoh!
Thank you for sharing those albums! Some one Those are nice shots, I really like the blue!

I think that I have the "hang of it" but im not very ..um graceful or quick
With the Nyohoe you flip the right upper corner over your left shoulder (as you have pictured and tuck the edge now facing toward your rightside (in towards your neck) in under the left upper side (That runs down over you left side) and continue rolling the top right edge over the ties and along the front a bit. LOL I don't know if that even makes sense...It really takes a a visual like a video or series of images to get it across clear for me I think Taigu could set it straight ... so its best not to listen to me ramble

Very much looking forward to picking up the needle and thread

Gassho,
Shohei

[ShinMeiDokuJoh]

Re: Kesa OKESA, it is about time!

Hi Shohei,

me too I feel now really attached to that lovely blue colour ops:
I think you explained well, maybe Taigu could show us in a video

So here some more links, all in Japanese, but just clicks on the pictures:
http://w7.oroti.com/~okesa/sakusei/index.html

click here on the big picture and you get a really big Photo, so detailed the stitches,
as here: http://w7.oroti.com/~okesa/toukou_gazou.htm

I am impressed by this detail picture, it seems all those little mountains are sewn individually:

With best wishes

ShinMeiDokuJoh

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