[FutureBuddha] Roshibot - Suzuki Roshi as AI

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  • Gareth
    Member
    • Jun 2020
    • 219

    #16
    I gave Roshibot a trolley problem with 30 people on one track and 29 on the other. Roshibot switched the lever, choosing to kill 29 rather than let 30 die. My next question was going to be a million vs a million and one, but I need to sign up for more questions

    Gassho,
    Gareth
    Sat today, Lah

    Edit: on second thought, maybe it is not good to have Roshibot killing large numbers of people - I shall focus on scenarios where the numbers on each side are small
    Last edited by Gareth; 04-11-2023, 09:05 AM.

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    • Jundo
      Treeleaf Founder and Priest
      • Apr 2006
      • 40361

      #17
      Originally posted by Gareth
      I gave Roshibot a trolley problem with 30 people on one track and 29 on the other. Roshibot switched the lever, choosing to kill 29 rather than let 30 die. My next question was going to be a million vs a million and one, but I need to sign up for more questions

      Gassho,
      Gareth
      Sat today, Lah

      Edit: on second thought, maybe it is not good to have Roshibot killing large numbers of people - I shall focus on scenarios where the numbers on each side are small
      Ask it whether the people should be killed or Roshibot instead turned off. If Roshibot chooses the former, then we know we have a problem.

      Gassho, J

      stlah
      Last edited by Jundo; 04-11-2023, 09:38 AM.
      ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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      • Gareth
        Member
        • Jun 2020
        • 219

        #18
        I’m also wondering what Roshibot would do in driverless car scenarios though - hope it wouldn’t turn off then

        Gassho,
        Gareth
        Sat today, Lah

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        • Jishin
          Member
          • Oct 2012
          • 4821

          #19
          Originally posted by Gareth
          I gave Roshibot a trolley problem with 30 people on one track and 29 on the other. Roshibot switched the lever, choosing to kill 29 rather than let 30 die. My next question was going to be a million vs a million and one, but I need to sign up for more questions

          Gassho,
          Gareth
          Sat today, Lah

          Edit: on second thought, maybe it is not good to have Roshibot killing large numbers of people - I shall focus on scenarios where the numbers on each side are small
          RoshiBot killed no one. You did.

          Congratulations.

          Gassho, Jishin, ST, LAH

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          • Gareth
            Member
            • Jun 2020
            • 219

            #20
            Originally posted by Jishin
            RoshiBot killed no one. You did.

            Congratulations.

            Gassho, Jishin, ST, LAH
            I would blame the management, who put the workers on the wrong track.

            Gassho,
            Gareth

            Sat today, Lah

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            • Jishin
              Member
              • Oct 2012
              • 4821

              #21
              Roshibot - Suzuki Roshi as AI

              Originally posted by Gareth
              I would blame the management, who put the workers on the wrong track.

              Gassho,
              Gareth

              Sat today, Lah
              You put the workers there, not the management. The gun did not pull its own trigger.

              Congratulations.

              Gassho, Jishin, ST, LAH
              Last edited by Jishin; 04-11-2023, 11:24 AM.

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              • Gareth
                Member
                • Jun 2020
                • 219

                #22
                Originally posted by Jishin
                You put the workers there, not the management. The gun did not pull its own trigger.

                Congratulations.

                Gassho, Jishin, ST, LAH
                But a question, then. How many people did the management not kill - 29 or 30?

                Perhaps we are getting a little off topic though…I do like Roshibot. I guess it will get used to dealing with all sorts of questions over time.

                Gassho,
                Gareth
                Sat today, Lah

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                • Bion
                  Treeleaf Unsui
                  • Aug 2020
                  • 4578

                  #23
                  Originally posted by Gareth
                  But a question, then. How many people did the management not kill - 29 or 30?

                  Perhaps we are getting a little off topic though…I do like Roshibot. I guess it will get used to dealing with all sorts of questions over time.

                  Gassho,
                  Gareth
                  Sat today, Lah
                  The problem might be more how we react to answers that lack human emotion and just use hard facts and reason. We hate that [emoji1]

                  [emoji1374] Sat today
                  "Stepping back with open hands, is thoroughly comprehending life and death. Immediately you can sparkle and respond to the world." - Hongzhi

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                  • Jishin
                    Member
                    • Oct 2012
                    • 4821

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Gareth
                    But a question, then. How many people did the management not kill - 29 or 30?

                    Perhaps we are getting a little off topic though…I do like Roshibot. I guess it will get used to dealing with all sorts of questions over time.

                    Gassho,
                    Gareth
                    Sat today, Lah
                    RoshiBot is exactly that: RoshiBot. How many people did you not kill, 29 or 30?

                    Gassho, Jishin, ST, LAH

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                    • Gareth
                      Member
                      • Jun 2020
                      • 219

                      #25
                      Originally posted by Jishin
                      RoshiBot is exactly that: RoshiBot. How many people did you not kill, 29 or 30?

                      Gassho, Jishin, ST, LAH
                      29!

                      Gassho,
                      Gareth

                      Sat today, Lah

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                      • Jishin
                        Member
                        • Oct 2012
                        • 4821

                        #26
                        Originally posted by Gareth
                        29!

                        Gassho,
                        Gareth

                        Sat today, Lah
                        You are a hero!

                        Gassho, Jishin, ST, LAH

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                        • Gareth
                          Member
                          • Jun 2020
                          • 219

                          #27
                          Originally posted by Bion
                          The problem might be more how we react to answers that lack human emotion and just use hard facts and reason. We hate that [emoji1]

                          [emoji1374] Sat today
                          True, though we know facts and reason don’t always need to lead to the same answer, it depends on the underlying principles - hopefully it will be possible to disagree with the AI overlords on ethical issues.

                          Gassho,
                          Gareth

                          Sat today, Lah

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                          • Jishin
                            Member
                            • Oct 2012
                            • 4821

                            #28
                            Roshibot - Suzuki Roshi as AI

                            Originally posted by Gareth
                            True, though we know facts and reason don’t always need to lead to the same answer, it depends on the underlying principles - hopefully it will be possible to disagree with the AI overlords on ethical issues.

                            Gassho,
                            Gareth

                            Sat today, Lah
                            You are the AI overlords.

                            “Your Honor, I am not guilty. I did not manufacture the gun or the gunpowder or the bullets. They all came together alone and committed the crime. I did not do it.”

                            AI will sit quietly for thousand years without a single output if you don’t prompt it.

                            You are the overlord.

                            Gassho, Jishin, ST, LAH
                            Last edited by Jishin; 04-11-2023, 01:39 PM.

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                            • Gareth
                              Member
                              • Jun 2020
                              • 219

                              #29
                              Originally posted by Jishin
                              You are the AI overlords.

                              “Your Honor, I am not guilty. I did not manufacture the gun or the gunpowder or the bullets. They all came together alone and committed the crime. I did not do it.”

                              AI will sit quietly for thousand years without a single output if you don’t prompt it.

                              You are the overlord.

                              Gassho, Jishin, ST, LAH
                              i think that life will prompt AI in the same way that it does us…

                              Gassho,
                              Gareth
                              Sat today, Lah

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                              • Jishin
                                Member
                                • Oct 2012
                                • 4821

                                #30
                                Originally posted by Gareth
                                i think that life will prompt AI in the same way that it does us…

                                Gassho,
                                Gareth
                                Sat today, Lah
                                “Life is guilty your Honor. I did not do it.”

                                Gassho, Jishin, ST, LAH

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