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  • Jundo
    Treeleaf Founder and Priest
    • Apr 2006
    • 41030

    #16
    Hi Tony,

    Here is what I usually say about the object of attention during Zazen, and where we might "return" if lost in trains of thought:

    Every form of Shikantaza has to place the attention somewhere. There are many small variations in Shikantaza, teacher to teacher. One has to place and focus (and simultaneously not place/focus) the mind somewhere!

    So, for example, Uchiyama Roshi was a "bring your attention back to the posture" guy. Nishijima Roshi was a "focus on keeping the spine straight" fellow, and there are others who emphasize focusing on the breath or the Hara (also called the "Tanden", the traditional "center of gravity" of the body, and a center of Qi energy in traditional Chinese medicine) ...



    ...

    Dogen once advised to place the mind in the left palm. Some merely emphasize the wall or floor one may be facing. All are forms of Shikantaza ... so long as the objectless nature of sitting is maintained even if focused on an object.

    In fact, all forms of Shikantaza have an "object of meditation", a place to focus or place the mind to build a degree of concentration and quiet the thoughts (hopefully to soften the border and pass through "object" and "subject"), while dropping all effort to attain and releasing all judgments. At Treeleaf, ... as our central "objectless" object of meditation, I recommend open, spacious sitting centered on everything and nothing at all ... sitting with open, spacious awareness ... sitting with the whole world but without being lost in trains of thought (which I also sometimes describe as having the mind focused on "no place and everyplace at once"). That open stillness is our "object of concentration" (I emphasize such because it makes it clearer that Zazen is not a tool, and makes it easier to take our Practice off the cushion and into the rest of the world, than simply following the breath or focusing on a part of the body).
    I sometimes feel that emphasizing the feelings of posture too much might mislead some people into concluding that Zazen is about attaining some particular physical sensation of balance of body. I do not feel that is so. That leads to your next comment:

    Originally posted by dharmasponge
    Many of these sound like 'methods' Returning to the senses (Vipassana)....noting 'thinking' (Mahasi technique). Awaremess of the body sitting (Sheng Yens 'Silent Illumination').

    All good though. I guess we all need a method. Even if its to facilitate having no method.
    Yes, this is the method of no-method. Attaining non-attaining. So, a little different from the other kinds of meditation you name. Ultimately, one finds that there is such which cannot be "returned to" nor ever "departed from". We are not trying to attain some special or unusual state but, by allowing the thoughts to still a bit and clear a bit, one realizes what what present all along.

    Yesterday, I posted a short film of a Buddha snow globe. Suppose one were searching for the Buddha or the lovely water ...

    Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube.


    By allowing the thoughts and emotions to settle a bit, one finds the Buddha present all along, the clear water which was present all along as they slowly emerge. They never went away somewhere, were always present right before one's eyes never truly hidden. However, that is not all, for one also discovers that the Buddha was beautifully reflected in each shining snowflake of thought, that the water was brought to life in the ripples even when not settled ... thus there really was not need to clear the thoughts at all! To the Wise Eye, all was Clear Flowing Buddha all along, settling or no settling, snowing or not snowing. Understand?

    Thus, one settles the thoughts as a beginner but, to the advanced practitioner, Buddha Clarity is not a matter of settled thoughts or no settled thoughts (for always present and always seen even as the snow). There was really nothing to settle and clear, for all is Settled and Clear from the startless start, each twirling snowflake and rippling drop of water is Buddha too. Understand?

    Gassho, J

    SatToday
    Last edited by Jundo; 06-14-2016, 03:41 PM.
    ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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    • Entai
      Member
      • Jan 2013
      • 451

      #17
      Byokan,
      That was beautifully said. Thank you.

      Gassho, Entai
      #SatToday

      泰 Entai (Bill)
      "this is not a dress rehearsal"

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      • martyrob
        Member
        • Jul 2015
        • 142

        #18
        Thanks for that, Byokan.

        It brought into expression something I only vaguely glimpsed before. I think I will print out of and keep it for those moments when I doubt my purpose.
        Much gratitude.

        Martyn.
        Sat today.

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        • Jundo
          Treeleaf Founder and Priest
          • Apr 2006
          • 41030

          #19
          Originally posted by Byokan
          Hi Tony,

          I can’t say much about what we’re “supposed to” do, or how our practice ought to be, but I can tell you how I experience this. I guess I don’t really think of it so much as coming and going, to and from, anywhere. It's not like, thought-land is bad, and no-thought-land is good. Sometimes when I'm sitting, the mind strolls down a path, following a train of thought or a fantasy or a memory. I notice the thinking, but it is no more or less significant than noticing that the wind has started to blow outside, or that I’m feeling happy or sad, or that the cat has meowed, or that I have an itch or a pain. I don't necessarily need to fix or to "correct" what's going on. Things are happening. I don’t expend any effort to “return” to some preferable state of being. I’m here, everything is here, everything is doing what it does, and this is how it is.

          Oh, well, it’s kind of like what this guy said:

          Form is no other than emptiness, emptiness no other than form.
          Form is precisely emptiness, emptiness precisely form.
          Sensations, perceptions, formations and consciousness are also like this.


          There’s no need to struggle with dualities of thinking or not thinking. No need to stand guard. No need to judge and pick and choose and fiddle. No need to assign higher or lower values to what is. Don’t try to be here if you are there. Just sit. Leave yourself alone for a while, let yourself rest in what is, as you are, as you have always been. What is, is. It is here and it is you. Relax back into it. Expanding and contracting with the breath, with the pulsing of blood, with the coming and going and arising and falling and living and dying of everything.

          Life goes on within you and without you. Let it be.

          Maybe I'm all wrong and Teacher will hit me with a stick. This is how I do zazen. I don't worry much about thoughts.

          Why do I do this sitting, anyway? Do I win a fabulous prize if I do it right? Nope. It’s practice. It’s practicing, training, so that when I get off the cushion, I can experience the world with clearer perception and equanimity, and allow right action to arise naturally and freely, without being so distracted and caught up by my thoughts, sensations, preferences, and desires.

          To my thinking (today at least), it’s not about conquering your mind or getting to some higher spiritual state. It’s about living this human life today, doing the best you can with what is here, now. That’s our job.

          Hope something there made sense. I also really like what everyone else said here.

          Gassho
          Byōkan
          sat today
          Lovely.
          ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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          • Byokan
            Senior Priest-in-Training
            • Apr 2014
            • 4284

            #20
            I love the way we all describe the elephant to each other.

            Gassho
            Byōkan
            sat today

            p.s. I want a sparkly golden Buddha snow globe.
            展道 渺寛 Tendō Byōkan
            Please take my words with a big grain of salt. I know nothing. Wisdom is only found in our whole-hearted practice together.

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            • Toun
              Member
              • Jan 2013
              • 206

              #21
              Originally posted by Byokan
              I love the way we all describe the elephant to each other.

              Gassho
              Byōkan
              sat today

              p.s. I want a sparkly golden Buddha snow globe.
              Thank you Byokan for your comments!

              Many wonderful teachers. No need to go to Tibet, Japan or China for that matter.


              p.s Yes...I also want a sparkly golden Buddha snow globe!

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              • dharmasponge
                Member
                • Oct 2013
                • 278

                #22
                Originally posted by Jundo
                Hi Tony,

                Here is what I usually say about the object of attention during Zazen, and where we might "return" if lost in trains of thought:

                I sometimes feel that emphasizing the feelings of posture too much might mislead some people into concluding that Zazen is about attaining some particular physical sensation of balance of body. I do not feel that is so........
                Thanks Jundo,

                Love the Golden Buddha analogy!!

                Sat_today
                Sat today

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