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  • Byokan
    Senior Priest-in-Training
    • Apr 2014
    • 4289

    #31
    Originally posted by Risho
    Thank you Shingen

    Rodney, that is a good question --> the moon is typically associated with enlightenment. The narrator mentions this in the audio, and you'll see it in Zen symbolism quite a bit. I think, and I want to try to answer your question because I have the same question in a way.... I think that the moon being reflected in the water is an image of the self. The self is in that bucket, and it reflects the moonlight - or it is enlightened. But I think that the nun was trying to grasp for enlightenment as something outside of herself. And to be honest, who doesn't come to practice looking for something. But when the bottom of the bucket fell out, no more moon in the water -- no more separation.. beyond form and emptiness, beyond self and other, just this.

    What is just this?!

    Dogen's famous question: we are already enlightened, so why do we need to practice? We practice because that is the activity of an enlightened being; it's an expression of who and what we all are; it is the path and the goal and everything here and now. We practice to practice, not as a means to grasp toward some thing out there called enlightenment. It's like if you saw someone on the street and asked them directions to planet Earth. Or in the Sandokai, "Walking forward in the way, you draw no nearer progress no farther".

    But even though we don't gain anything, that dropping of gain and loss, that ability to be pulled by thoughts, but then to "VOOMP" back again over and over is something very, very special.

    I came across a discussion on the internet this week about "how to Shikantaza" ... and much good and solid advice was given. Some folks follow the breath, some "Just Sit" in boundless spaciousness, some advised this or that on the posture and letting thoughts go. All wise and good, and talk of posture, focus


    If you are not practicing to gain enlightenment. If this life, here and now is Nirvana. If all of the ups and downs, when we are in pain, when we face death, this is paradise. That is a very, very special way of living. It's like jumping into life without regret. And feeling like shit, but not worrying about feeling like shit. Allowing it, but still having that underlying stillness that it's ok; it's ok to not be ok.

    Gassho,

    Risho
    -sattoday
    Risho,

    wow, this is brilliantly clear, thank you so much. And thanks Shingen for sharing this story.

    Gassho
    Lisa
    sat today
    展道 渺寛 Tendō Byōkan
    Please take my words with a big grain of salt. I know nothing. Wisdom is only found in our whole-hearted practice together.

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    • Banto
      Member
      • Jan 2015
      • 209

      #32
      So the bottom of our buckets should fall out?
      Rodney <dunce> #sattoday


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      Banto (aka Rodney)
      万磴 (Myriad StoneSteps)

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      • Jundo
        Treeleaf Founder and Priest
        • Apr 2006
        • 40719

        #33
        Originally posted by Rodney
        So the bottom of our buckets should fall out?
        Rodney <dunce> #sattoday
        When the bottom of the bucket falls out, all attachments and barriers drop away.

        As Uchiyama Roshi wrote in one of his death poems ...

        Simply the water of the whole Universe has been ladled into a bucket
        The water does not disappear because it has been scattered over the ground
        It is only that the water of the whole Universe has been emptied into the whole Universe


        How do you to get over the fear of death? How do you to get over the fear of became old? Can we help using Buddhist idea and Zen idea?


        Gassho, J

        SatToday
        ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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        • Banto
          Member
          • Jan 2015
          • 209

          #34
          Thank you Jundo. I guess where I was getting hung up was the moon was one with the water when the water was in the bucket, so it seemed like separation happened after it broke. Then I wondered the dropping of the water is what made her realize they were together (because now they're not).
          I appreciate that Uchiyama poem. This line stood out to me: The life of the whole Universe has been ladled into the hardened "idea" called "I"
          Gassho,
          Rodney SatToday

          Banto (aka Rodney)
          万磴 (Myriad StoneSteps)

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          • Jundo
            Treeleaf Founder and Priest
            • Apr 2006
            • 40719

            #35
            Originally posted by Rodney
            Thank you Jundo. I guess where I was getting hung up was the moon was one with the water when the water was in the bucket, so it seemed like separation happened after it broke. Then I wondered the dropping of the water is what made her realize they were together (because now they're not).
            I appreciate that Uchiyama poem. This line stood out to me: The life of the whole Universe has been ladled into the hardened "idea" called "I"
            Gassho,
            Rodney SatToday
            Now maybe feel the meaning more, intellectualize the meaning less.

            Gassho, J

            SatToday
            ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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            • Banto
              Member
              • Jan 2015
              • 209

              #36
              No Water, No Moon

              Sound advice, yes thank you much.
              Happy Thanksgiving all, much gratitude
              Gassho
              RodneySatToday


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