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After re-reading the Muchu setsumu chapter I think I would like to ask if I maybe misunderstood something,
This struck me from the moment I read it, because it sounds somewhat recursive, a dream within a dream. How I understand Muchu setsumu however, I think Dogen speaks about "teaching a dream within a dream" as teaching THIS VERY AND ONLY DREAM while we are in THIS VERY AND ONLY DREAM, so no recursion just teaching the only "thing" that is there: this one and only dream we all are. Did I go astray ?
Gassho
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After re-reading the Muchu setsumu chapter I think I would like to ask if I maybe misunderstood something,
This struck me from the moment I read it, because it sounds somewhat recursive, a dream within a dream. How I understand Muchu setsumu however, I think Dogen speaks about "teaching a dream within a dream" as teaching THIS VERY AND ONLY DREAM while we are in THIS VERY AND ONLY DREAM, so no recursion just teaching the only "thing" that is there: this one and only dream we all are. Did I go astray ?
Gassho
Myoku
WAKE UP!
Gassho, JALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLEComment
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How I understand Muchu setsumu
Oranges seem to be very important in Zen.
Now wikipedia lectured me about the fruit production of the prefecture Satsuma.
Unfortunately, I can not have orange
All of Life is our Orange?
Gassho,
Danny治 Ji
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Hi guys,
Have been sitting with this mind bending topic for a few days now.
One of the biggest teachings for me is our effort to perceive reality though reality is boundless. This means a lot to me because I understand my relationship with the universe depends a lot of my senses, background, emotions and all the skandas. All at once.
Based on this, the mind labels, classifies, catalogs, judges and stores information that affects how we see the universe.
While in zazen, all of that washes away for very brief instant. A helicopter passes by and it's just that. A cup is a cup, with no stories attached to it. Pain in the knee is only that, with no suffering involved.
Things are just there. Happening. And it's all wondrous to witness and see it all coming together as one single chunk of cosmic stuff.
Is either that or that I haven't yet fully woken up. Too early
Gassho,
KyoninHondō Kyōnin
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Myoko, thank you for explaining.
I was joking at my own phonetic association, caused by this thread (the video clip):
So life can be layers of dreams, or as tangible as a tangerine. I guess.
Gassho,
Danny治 Ji
花 KaComment
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The Tibetans have this wrapped up. All phenomena is a projection of mind. Mind is a projection of mind as is Emptiness and Dogen, you and me...so is enlightenment and suffering. See Chandrakirti and Shantideva. _/|\_Sat todayComment
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Gassho
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