Adyashanti's Shikantaza/True Meditation

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  • shikantazen
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    • Feb 2013
    • 361

    Adyashanti's Shikantaza/True Meditation

    Adyashanti is a very famous spiritual teacher from San Francisco who awakened through Zen practice. He doesn't teach in the traditional Zen style but what he calls as "true meditation" is essentially shikantaza practice. I'm describing the practice here, mostly in his words so that it will help clarify our shikantaza practice.

    Here are some useful snippets from his "True Meditation" book that I found useful for my practice; Hope you too will find this useful. It feels to me what he teaches is true shikantaza, but I would like to hear your views on this.


    Ending the War with the Mind:

    "If you try to win the war with your mind, you'll be at war forever". He describes his Zen practice and how initially his meditation was a struggle, like a war with his mind, with lot of control and will involved. As he felt it is not working out, he describes how he investigated in his experience what truly letting go of control meant. "I started to meditate in a different way. I let go of the idea of what meditation was supposed to be. So I would sit down and let my experience simply be, in a very deep way. I started to let go of trying to control my experience. That became the beginning of discovering for myself what True Meditation is. From that point on, that shift - moving from trying to perfect a technique or discipline to actually letting go of technique and discipline - started to inform the way I engage in meditation"

    An Attitude of Innocence:

    "The problem lies in the attitude with which we engage meditation. If our attitude is an attitude of control and manipulation - if we take the approach that we are going to master a discipline - then the attitude gets in the way. It's actually the mind or the ego that's meditating. Real meditation is not about mastering a technique; it's about letting go of control. The awakened state of being, the enlightened state of being, can also be called the natural state of being. How can control and manipulation possibly lead us to our natural state?"

    Relinquishing Control and Manipulation:

    For a human being to let go of control is an immense thing. It sounds easy to say, "Just let go of control." But for most human beings our entire psychological structure is made up almost entirely of control. To ask a mind or ego to let go of control is then a revolutionary idea. "What if I let go of control," the mind says, "and nothing happens?". What if I sit down to meditate, letting everything be as it is and nothing happens? This is usually why we grab on to some technique or to some discipline, because the mind is afraid that if it lets go of control, nothing will happen. What I am suggesting in True Meditation is that we actually see, that we look at meditation as a way to investigate. True Meditation isn't really a new technique so much as it is a way of investigating for yourself - in your own body, in your own mind, upon the authority of your own experience - what happens when you relinquish control and allow your experience to be exactly as it is without trying to change it. So it's not that we just let everything be as it is as a goal, as an endpoint. If you make it a goal, you miss the point. The point isn't simply to allow everything to be as it is; that's just the base, the underlying attitude. From that underlying attitude, lots of things become possible. That's the space in which we are gifted with what we need to see"

    Moving Beyond the Meditator:

    "As contradictory as it may sound, the art of meditation is to let go of the meditator. So the meditator is that part of you, that aspect, which would be trying. The meditator in you would be trying to still your mind, follow your breath, or trying to attain a certain state. The meditator is that part of you that’s trying to make something happen. The meditator is that part of you that may have heard about or learned about meditation and how to do it and what it’s supposed to be. And so the first movement of true meditation is to begin to let go of the meditator. Let go of the one who’s making effort, of the one who’s trying to change or the one who’s trying to meditate well. Reconnect with your being. Reconnect with your body. We’re simply allowing everything to be as it is. Not trying to change anything.

    As you begin to let go of the meditator, to let go of effort, your mind may feel a little disoriented, because there is nothing for the meditator to do. When the meditator is not struggling, not trying to do it right, not trying to attain, this opens up the experience of allowing everything to be as it is."

    Effortless Effort:

    "Meditating in an effortless way is not the same thing as being lazy. One of the profound instructions my teacher used to give when I talk to her about my meditation is this. "Is it Vivid? Is it alive?. This is a very good instruction. If we are simply making no effort in a way that's lazy, then our meditation gets dreamy and foggy. Effortless doesn't mean being lazy or falling into sleep; effortless means just enough effort to be vivid, present, to be here, to be now. To be bright. Too much effort and we get too tight; too little effort and we get dreamy. We each need to find out for ourselves what this means."

    Our Natural Tendency Is to Awaken:

    "We are biologically and psychologically wired to move toward awakening. When we let go of the control, the nature of our being is to awaken. It is natural for the mind to wander a bit initially when you let go of control. It's like keeping your dog on a leash; when you take the leash off, the tendency of the dog is to run. Your dog may run away from you quickly but if you hang out for a while, eventually it will decide to come back to you. In a similar way, when you let go of control, even though the mind might be a bit noisy for a while, eventually its tendency will be to return to a state of harmony"

    Awareness is Dynamic:

    "Allowing everything to be as it is doesn't generate a static state. Awareness may go to your foot, to pain, or to tension. It may go to a sense of joy. It may hear a bird outside and might spontaneously listen to the bird, then it may become global and take in everything all at once. Awareness may suddenly become curious about silence itself and enter into silence. Allowing everything to be as it is actually generates a much more dynamic inner environment than the words suggest. You have to discover within yourself what this actually means. By letting go, we allow awareness to do what it wants to do. It goes where it needs to go. We realize that awareness has an intelligence in and of itself. The invitation for you as a meditator is to become very engaged with where awareness wants to go, with what it wants to experience. You are engaged; you're right with it. You are willing to go where awareness wants to go"

    Live in the Same way you Meditate:

    He suggests to take the practice to life and allow everything as is, in our daily life. "You can be driving in your car and have the practice of allowing the traffic to be as it is. You can have the practice of letting yourself feel as you feel. Or the next time you meet your friend or lover, you can investigate the experience of allowing them to be as they are completely. What it is like to allow yourself to be as you are completely? When we really come out of resistance to experience, in that inner attitude of non-grasping, in those moments of surrender we discover something very potent and powerful. That is the space in which wisdom arises, in which "Ahas" arise. It is the space in which we can be informed by the wholeness of consciousness, not just by a little speck of consciousness in our mind."


    - Sam
  • Taigu
    Blue Mountain White Clouds Hermitage Priest
    • Aug 2008
    • 2710

    #2
    Where are you?

    gassho


    T.

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    • shikantazen
      Member
      • Feb 2013
      • 361

      #3
      I am in Los Angeles, California. Not sure if that is what you asked for though

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      • Shokai
        Dharma Transmitted Priest
        • Mar 2009
        • 6397

        #4
        It sure wasn't!

        Sent from my SGH-I317M using Tapatalk 2
        合掌,生開
        gassho, Shokai

        仁道 生開 / Jindo Shokai

        "Open to life in a benevolent way"

        https://sarushinzendo.wordpress.com/

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        • Kyonin
          Dharma Transmitted Priest
          • Oct 2010
          • 6750

          #5
          Too much.

          I prefer to just sit.

          Gassho,

          Kyonin
          Hondō Kyōnin
          奔道 協忍

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          • Genshin
            Member
            • Jan 2013
            • 467

            #6


            Originally posted by Kyonin
            Too much.

            I prefer to just sit.

            Gassho,

            Kyonin

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            • Myozan Kodo
              Friend of Treeleaf
              • May 2010
              • 1901

              #7
              Hi Sam,
              Very interesting.

              However, I think this eight point methodology, while it might inspire, might also in fact get in the way of true sitting. Everything is contained in our Zazen, which is beyond the discriminating mind that might sub-divide our practice into the pleasing symmetry of eight.

              That's just my novice two cent's worth. But I may be just misguided and ill informed on this matter.

              Gassho
              Myozan
              Last edited by Myozan Kodo; 04-18-2013, 07:31 PM.

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              • shikantazen
                Member
                • Feb 2013
                • 361

                #8
                I'm sorry for the confusion guys; Adyashanti doesn't teach it as an eight point methodology. These are just excerpts that I picked up from his book and those are the chapter names.

                The only instruction for meditation is this: No-Manipulation of your experience. Allowing everything to be exactly as it is.

                Now all these additional things are from the "True Meditation" book he has written and those are to clarify the practice. For example he has a chapter called "Effortless Effort" just because people might misunderstand "Allow everything to be as is" to sit and be lazy.

                A bit introduction about Adyashanti: I first came to Shikantaza practice through his "True Meditation" and he is an amazing teacher. Infact this entire book is made out of an impromptu speech/teisho given by him. All his books are written that way and they are all very popular. He started practicing Zen when he was 21 and was awakened by 25. He is very popular and his retreats are always full and they have a lottery system for each retreat with a big waiting list. Even his weekend intensives also get full quickly and the only one I attended had about 700 people.

                Here is a video interview, where he talks about his awakening:
                Adyashanti is author of several books including, 'Emptiness Dancing' 'Falling Into Grace' and 'The End Of Your World.' In this interview he talks in detail a...

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                • Daitetsu
                  Member
                  • Oct 2012
                  • 1154

                  #9
                  I think we must be fair here:
                  As Sam writes, the above approach is not to be considered a step-by-step plan.
                  Likewise we could transcribe all Beginner's videos here (which would probably result in a much longer text) and draw the conclusion that our Shikantaza practice must be very complicated - otherwise, why talk so much about it?

                  I've listened to several Adyashanti lectures and while his approach is similar, there are some decisive differences to our Shikantaza practice here in my opinion.
                  (However, I've not listend to the above video - yet.)

                  The main difference IMHO is the general context:
                  Adyashanti's practice seems to have awakening/enlightenment as a goal.
                  On the other hand our Shikantaza practice is without any goals, it consists in the dropping of all goals, and that's the beauty of it!
                  If there is a realization/awakening, that's fine, but this is not the "final goal". We have the term of practice-enlightenment (best refer to Kodo Sawaki about this).
                  However, Adyashanti seems to be more relaxed about the enlightenment thing than some Rinzai traditions (and no - I don't want to say that any practice mentioned in this post is "better" than the others - just as a disclaimer!).

                  Maybe I must read more by Adyashanti, but at least that's the impression I have gained by his lectures.

                  To each their own - for some people Rinzai is best, for some Soto, and for others Adyashanti. Everyone needs to find the path that suits them best.

                  NB:IMHO even for Soto people Adyashanti's talks are very interesting/enjoyable (at least those talks I know - I've not listened to the above yet) and highly recommended.

                  Gassho,

                  Timo
                  no thing needs to be added

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                  • Mp

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Kyonin
                    Too much.

                    I prefer to just sit.

                    Gassho,

                    Kyonin
                    I also agree ... Just sit, simple and sweet!

                    Gassho
                    Shingen

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                    • Jundo
                      Treeleaf Founder and Priest
                      • Apr 2006
                      • 40719

                      #11
                      I wrote this some years ago, and my opinion is about the same. I do not criticize easily, but sometimes my "spider senses" vibrate about some folks ...

                      I first looked into Adyashanti's writings about 5 years ago, when he was heartily recommended by a friend. I read everything I could at the time, and listened or watched the recorded talks I could. What I thus say is based on my impression, my gut reaction and some of the claims he makes for himself. Since that time I have looked at or listened to other talks, and my opinion is about the same.

                      In a nutshell, I see someone who is trying a bit hard (and succeeding) to make a career as a California style Guru. My conclusion is based in part on the persona, but also on the content of his talks. I find someone who is very charismatic, and may have had an experience here and there ... but he seems extremely well studied, as if he memorized every Tolle and 100 other books and is just regurgitating/reformulating/repackaging the contents under a new label. He throws around the same old, tired old, buzzwords of Eastern Wisdom, casting himself as one who has crossed over to the other side. He speaks with a very smooth tongue, but all does not ring true to me. In talks he gives, I often have picked up on sections which sound like pure New Age, cosmic double talk too. Out there in California, there are 1000 guys trying to make a career out of a funky name and a like persona, and this one does not ring true (though he is very gifted as someone playing the part he is).
                      I will add this: I am not saying that everything he says is foolish (it isn't. There is some very nice sections and advice in what was posted above. Because he is repackaging standard advice picked up here and there, and common advice on "just sitting", there is some good stuff here and there). He is also better and smoother at the pitch over the years. I think he is a very charismatic individual (a kind of anti-charisma charisma).

                      I once described him as marketing himself (yes, I will call it "marketing" by a very smooth talker like a good shoe salesman) as an "anti-guru" ... your guru who keeps telling you that he is "not a guru" (thus a great guru better than those who call themselves "guru") who offers enlightenment by saying it is "not enlightenment". That video is a good example. Some good, basic wisdom with much spiritual posing and double-talk.

                      Just to make clear ... I do not think the Adyashanti is a nefarious evildoer, and there are certainly a lot worse out there ... I even think he may be well meaning at heart (seems like a gentle fellow), plus he has a relaxing voice and a very pleasant manner. I think he is extremely smooth and practiced in his presentation, very well read in the literature of other like teachers, and it is all soothing to the ear of people looking for that kind of thing.

                      Originally posted by shikantazen
                      He is very popular and his retreats are always full and they have a lottery system for each retreat with a big waiting list. Even his weekend intensives also get full quickly and the only one I attended had about 700 people.
                      Yes, the line at the drive-thru at McDonalds is sometimes very long too.

                      Spiritual Buyer Beware.

                      Deep-pockets Chopra is another fellow who gets my goat.

                      Gassho, Jundo (in his "kids, get off my lawn" mood )
                      Last edited by Jundo; 04-19-2013, 03:30 AM.
                      ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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                      • Hans
                        Member
                        • Mar 2007
                        • 1853

                        #12
                        Hello Jundo,

                        the "kids, get off my lawn" comment just made my day

                        Gassho,

                        Hans Chudo Mongen

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                        • Jinyo
                          Member
                          • Jan 2012
                          • 1957

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Hans
                          Hello Jundo,

                          the "kids, get off my lawn" comment just made my day

                          Gassho,

                          Hans Chudo Mongen
                          absolutely

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                          • Daitetsu
                            Member
                            • Oct 2012
                            • 1154

                            #14
                            @Jundo:
                            Personally I think your view of Adyashanti is probably too harsh (meaning my impression of him is different), but maybe you are right - that's hard to tell.
                            I guess he gives you those feelings I get when it comes to Tolle. Whenever I read/see/hear Tolle I always think about money for some reason. But maybe I am wrong in that case, I am just unable to make heard or tail of him...

                            Gassho,

                            Timo
                            no thing needs to be added

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                            • Oheso
                              Member
                              • Jan 2013
                              • 294

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Taigu
                              Where are you?
                              don't understand-
                              and neither are they otherwise.

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