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  • YuimaSLC
    Member
    • Aug 2012
    • 93

    #16
    Objectification for all of us can come in many forms. Sexual objectification is perhaps one of the most talked about.
    How can one thumb through any popular magazine or walk down the street and not be hit-in-the-face with the "sale" of
    trivializing human complexity into just a sexy image. A lifetime of it. And guys, especially guys, to one degree or another, love to build a story ever so rapidly about an image. Brain cells storing all that imagery don't just go away, nor do the
    beliefs-of-self reacting to those images. Nor do the cultures that worship and promote it in such a quirky ways. It's individual and collective. It's the present "storage" of all the other present impressions. So much clutter! Am I talking about karmic causality?

    But, it's what one does next, or rather now, this moment that makes the difference. Not to be rid of it, not killing it. In sitting, it goes by not hitching a ride with it. The proclivity of a man, for instance, to hitch-a-ride on the impression of an attractive female who just walked out of the store nearby, is just that, an impression....how long and far are you going on the ride? How much are you going to let your past (present) mandate your present? And there is complexity and distortion in that very split second of image. Because at first, it is just color, form, sound. Not an attractive female. And takes less than a second to devise an "opinion" about it. But, doesn't have to be. It can be more "just color, form, sound" and for a while having a good laugh at the initial "opinions" that pop up (they too are just color form sound) and somehow disappear before we can say they disappeared, as if that "something" wasn't there afterall. I believe that over time (if we can really say that time passes)
    one gets out-of-practice of forming so many instantaneous opinions that are manifestations of ignorance, greed; and for some anger.

    Let the sexy imagery be there. You won't see it, because it ceases to be there. That's not stoicism, it's just real reflection without concern of dust.

    Gassho

    Richard

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    • Daitetsu
      Member
      • Oct 2012
      • 1154

      #17
      @Jundo:

      Thanks a lot for your comment!

      I think it is also worth mentioning that there is a "danger" that people might consider this drama as something fake/unreal and just think that the curtain, the seats, and the requisites (i.e. the stage itself) are the only things that count. However, the reason of the stage is that drama can unfold.
      (I know, this analogy has its limitations, since the actors, the stage, etc. basically all are one whole, but I hope it is still clear what I want to say...)

      Gassho,

      Timo
      no thing needs to be added

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      • Dennis
        Member
        • Jul 2012
        • 47

        #18
        I am in the process of reading Robert Aitken's The Mind of Clover: he talks in it about a similiar situation, and it was written in 1984? 29 years ago...

        Sad as it is, this debate will always be with us, and the major religions (do the names Jimmy Jones, Baker, Roberts and Koresh bring back memories? The Catholic Church's continued problems?) There's no room for any group to throw stones, we're all made up of human beings. What matters is how people "play" this out. Do people use it as a teaching point and use it to better their practice, or as an excuse to extol the virtues of OUR righteous practice (and how seriously lacking THEIRS is?)

        I've been following the conversations on Brad Warner's site as well: Jundo makes a lot more sense in his contributions than some of them. I don't see Treeleaf going the latter way, though sadly some others may.

        To use the stage analogy, I think our "director's" interpretation in this drama is a good one. One of the reasons I enjoy this sangha!

        Gassho,
        Dennis

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        • Gen01
          Member
          • May 2012
          • 39

          #19
          Thanks for your post on this Jundo.

          Gassho.

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          • Myozan Kodo
            Friend of Treeleaf
            • May 2010
            • 1901

            #20
            By the way, SFZC's Abbot has released a statement on their Sangha's behalf in light if the New York Times coverage:




            They had their own problems over the years in SF. I think the checks and balances he mentions have been put firmly in place here, I am glad to say.

            Gassho
            Myozan

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