God and Zen

[Risho]

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Good points, but everything, EVERYTHING is based on belief in some way or the other. What you think you know is based on a primary assumption.

[Heisoku]

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As is what you think you don't know.

[Risho]

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hahahahaha I just thought about that. :mrgreen:

[Marek]

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A thread about ,,GOD" !.

I feel I should say something here.

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Yep, this is probably all that I know about this...

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[will]

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Although Venerable Taigu has hit the nail on the head, I'll post an excerpt from Sunryu Suzuki Roshi:

(Edit: I couldn't find the quote I was looking for, so will just post this):

http://www.shunryusuzuki.com/suzuki/ind ... ?seemore=y

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“In the beginner's mind there are many possibilities, but in the expert's mind there are few”

Gassho

W

[Taigu]

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Hi Will,

Although Venerable Taigu has hit the nail on the head, I'll post an excerpt from Sunryu Suzuki Rosh

And he has got a finger bleeding...thank you so much for the link Venerable Will :wink:

Gassho

Vulnerable Taigu

[threethirty]

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I have no idea if there is God in Zen, but after 2 going on 3 days of a forum with the Church of the Brethren (whom I work for), I can say there is Zen in God. They have been talking about sexuality and spirtitually. But what I am hearing is compassion, no self (god is neighbor, neighbor is self, self is god, neighbor is god...) causing no harm, and dealing with the fact that all of life is a paradox (life is not a paradox).

Sounds like Zen to me

[Jiken]

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What is your point with the videos and pictures

Daido

[alan.r]

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What is your point with the videos and pictures

Daido

Well, perhaps I shouldn't speculate (or conceptualize), but it seems to be that Chugai is attempting to challenge the way we typically "see/think about/preconceive" ideas about brutality and death (thus, "if the mind is open, it is ready for anything" and "it" won't experience strong aversion to the pictures, etc). The (non)idea he is trying to convey is that a truly awakened person is not averse to these things/images. Further, he seems to be suggesting that these images could/should be added to Ekai's lovely list/poem.

Weeds/Flowers, not two.

How skillful the method of the post seems debatable.

I'll take Basho, instead (but this is only my little preference, which I see as a preference):

As I was plodding along the River Fuji, I saw a small child, hardly three years of age, crying pitifully on the bank, obviously abandoned by his parents. They must have thought this child was unable to ride through the stormy waters of life which run as wild as the rapid river itself, and that he was destined to have a life even shorter than that of the morning dew. The child looked to me as the flowers of bush-clover that scatter at the slightest stir of the autumn wind, and he was so pitiful that I gave him what little food I had with me.

The ancient poet
who pitied monkeys for their cries,
what would he say, if he saw
this child crying in the autumn wind?

How is it indeed that this child has been reduced to this state of utter misery? Is it because of his mother who ignored him, or because of his father who abandoned him? Alas, it seems that this child's suffering has been caused by something far greater and more massive...by what one might call the irresistible will of heaven. If it is so, child, you must raise your voice to heaven, and I must pass on, leaving you behind.

Gassho,
Alan

[Jiken]

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Thank you for clarification. Your opinion is valued. When I look at the pictures you posted I feel and see greed anger and ignorance. I also feel and see generosity compassion and wisdom. Sun faced Buddha moon faced Buddha all in one breath. The question for myself becomes less philosophical and I ask what do I do now? I think I know.

Thanks Chugai

Daido

[Jiken]

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Thanks Alan.r. Forgot to say that

Daido

[Hans]

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Hello,

I think it is interesting to see how our (mostly) Judeo-Christian heritage shows through all this God talk, since nobody really asks half as often about Gods and Zen. Which again shows that the main "issue" lies with us, our culture and prejudices and not with the nature of reality itself IMHO.


Just two Unsui cents, feel free to ignore and always add a spoonful of salt


Gassho,

Hans Chudo Mongen

[Run_CMD]

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come back to the cushion!

I'm on the cushion while I'm on the internet .... literally .. best place to sit ....

I've heard of sitting while walking, but how can you sit while you're on the internet .. ?? I don't understand ...

[Rich]

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This is true. Everything is sitting. Its just that in the position of doing nothing, its more difficult to hide.

[Rev R]

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"Respect the gods and Buddhas. Do not rely on them."
Miyamoto Musashi Dokkodo

Not that I find all god concepts worthy of any sort of respect.