ANNOUNCEMENT: Our 1st Treeleaf “Home-Leaving Ordinations

[Tb]

Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Our 1st Treeleaf “Home-Leaving Ordinations

I'm not sure where I heard this, but Shukke does not a teacher make . . . that Jundo and/or Taigu must still give them permission later to teach if they have proven to have all of the skills to do so. In other words, they have entered seminary, but haven't been accorded any special status. I'm thinking of the many people who enter monasteries and receive Shukke ordination but leave after a couple of years to do other things besides teach.

So, here at Treeleaf there may be some implicit understanding that Shukke is about heading toward being a teacher, but the primary spirit as I understand it is that of leaving the 'small self' behind and dedicating oneself to the three jewels. That may end up manifesting as something other than being a dharma teacher.

As was said about Jukai, if you are already living with that dedication, then you have already taken Shukke just not formally.

Am I offbase?

--Eika

Hi.

No.
And i don't see us being any different even after (if ever) getting Dharma Transmission.
I would be the same guy doing the same things as now, just with another title.
THe difference might be that people think of me in a way that might not be true, since there's been all sorts of delusions of this (see my first post).
I'm just a guy who got asked to do this and said "ok! let's do it."
Nothing more, nothing less.
Just me.

Mtfbwy
Fugen

[Eika]

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So will we get to see your face now, Fugen?

[Tb]

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So will we get to see your face now, Fugen?

Hi.
I'm here, just phone me up(pm me and you will get my skype).
Also The dharma marxbrothers usually sit in on the sunday teaparty.... :roll:

Mtfbwy
Fugen

[Jundo]

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So will we get to see your face now, Fugen?

Hi.
I'm here, just phone me up(pm me and you will get my skype).
Also The dharma marxbrothers usually sit in on the sunday teaparty.... :roll:

Mtfbwy
Fugen

Fugen,

Please do put up a photo that shows your face ... showing what a cute guy you are. 8)

Anyway, you haven't had that beard for a long time now.

And that hat always reminds me of stevie ray vaughan

[Eika]

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Also The dharma marxbrothers usually sit in on the sunday teaparty.... :roll:

Mtfbwy
Fugen

I'll see if I can get ustream and my computer to get along again. I punted a few months ago on the live ustream thing because I was always getting bumped.

Peace

[Dojin]

Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Our 1st Treeleaf “Home-Leaving Ordinations

Please do put up a photo that shows your face ... showing what a cute guy you are. 8)

Anyway, you haven't had that beard for a long time now.

And that hat always reminds me of stevie ray vaughan



I Just Love SRV, lynyrd skynyrd too. why is it that so many great guitarists and bands die in a plane or chopper crash?

Gassho, D.

[Myozan Kodo]

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Whatever word is used to describe this committment to the path, it is a great and blessed thing when someone follows in the footsteps of the Buddha. Staying at home or leaving home: it is the same thing in the world of emptiness. May all the Buddhas of the three times and the ten directions bless the journey of ordination that you are seeting out on.

Gassho,
Soen

[chessie]

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I'm happy for and proud of all involved. I'm also jealous of the level of commitment that I can't seem to maintain, but keep trying to do. Thanks for all you do. gassho, Ann

[Martin]

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Well. Shohei, Hans and Fugen, and indeed Jundo and Taigu, respect to you all for undertaking this commitment. "Leaving home" sounds a bit scary; may you also find home, if indeed you ever leave it.

Gassho

Martin

[JohnsonCM]

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Gassho, for your practice. I am most happy for the three of you.

[Jikyo]

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I wander off for awhile and look what happens! :shock: Congratulations to all and thank you all for your practice.

Gassho, Jikyo

[RyanM]

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My very belated congratulations to Shohei, Hans and Fugen. Thanks for your practice guys and I wish you all the best!!!

Gassho,

Ryan

[frjames]

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May I chime in...

I think that this is a very courageous venture for all involved.

For Jundo and Taigu in deciding to do this now.

For Shohei, Hans and Fugen for initiating or accepting the invitation to be the first candidates for "priest-apprentice" in the Zen tradition.

For Kyrillos for taking the step to go beyond his own tradition and fully immerse himself in another tradition. Bede Griffiths and others--but few others--have had such courage even in the face of opposition from the institutional Church.

Speaking of Church...Soen's comment about priests being the ruin of Ireland may be an apt analogy here.

If priests are now the ruin of Ireland, there was a time when they were the salvation of the Irish people. During those penal days when the priests (and nuns) sacrificed themselves on the side of the persecuted, the poor, the marginalized...It was only during the passing of centuries when priests, forgetting their calling, became deified that they started to act like kings instead of servants of the people. "Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely."

As Jundo said:

it is a lowering of oneself in offering to the community, much as all of us sometimes deeply bow upon the ground in humility, raising up others and the whole world above our humbled heads.

The priests in Ireland need to remind themselves, nay live this statement NOW as ever before. The Master they purport to follow had said as much: "The first shall be last and the last shall be first. They who exalts themselves must humble themselves. The one who wishes to lead must be the servant of all."

Treeleaf is embarking on a new and courageous journey here and now. Let us not forget this humble beginning or in forgetting it, it may be our ruin as well.

Deep, deep bows to all,
nine times deep bows,
900 deep bows to all,

James.

[anista]

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Good luck to the three of you!

May all beings be free from suffering.

Gassh?,

[murasaki]

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Congratulations! Deep gassho and best wishes to you on your incredible journey.

Julia