Zafu and zabuton?

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  • Taigu
    Blue Mountain White Clouds Hermitage Priest
    • Aug 2008
    • 2710

    #16
    Re: Zafu and zabuton?

    Yes, I have more to say. If you sit without any cushion, the chances are that in order to keep the natural curve of the spine and not slouch you'd have to contract some back muscles...Bad idea that can lead to a lot of problems. The feeling of the tripod, both knees and buttocks is really important, it is the rooting, grounding, the infrastructure of your sitting. So having knees floating in the air is not a good idea as it also will cause problems in the spine ...If your zafu, cushion or whatever you use is too high, then it is also a problem. The answer is to experiment. A zafu is something you can fill up and empty at will (that's why we use zafu, not for the Japanese look). Start either with a full blown up zazfu or with a very flat one, sit and see. Take the stuff out or fill it up gradually until you really feel good. Remember, always direct the zafu down under the buttocks so you open naturally the hips and never ever contract the back muscles. The general principle is the following, if you sit full lotus, you don't need much thickness, so your zafu will be quite flat. If you sit half lotus or Burmese and you have a solid strong body, you will need a bigger zafu. Now, to the clever people who use a belt to rise up the zafu at will...I will tell them this: you are now sitting on a French fixed macaron-type cushion that cannot be tucked in a propper way under your buttocks!... Bad idea. Give it a week, a month or two years parctice, and you will have to seek for medical help. No kidding. I have been there.

    So I looked on the internet, so hard to find anything decent but I bumped into a glorious nobody with a great cushion-to-buttocks-knees thing, you could always argue with the possition of the head, anyway, tha's the idea:

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    • Jikyo
      Member
      • Jan 2009
      • 197

      #17
      Re: Zafu and zabuton?

      Thanks for this discussion.

      Taigu - thanks for the reminder about not tightening the back muscles. I get into trouble only when I forget to sit forward enough on my zafu. Even the tiniest bit makes a big difference. If I use the front 1/3 of the cushion it seems to allow my spine to be where it needs to be.

      Gassho, Jikyo

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      • Taigu
        Blue Mountain White Clouds Hermitage Priest
        • Aug 2008
        • 2710

        #18
        Re: Zafu and zabuton?

        hi Jikyo,

        Indeed. if you instruct somebody or yourself to sit with a straight back or spine, you get instantly this tense back muscles...Why? Because of what Alexander technique call end-gaining. You have a clear goal and you want to achieve it taking all the possible shortcuts. The right thickness of the cushion is really important as well as the release of body in space, radiating body rather than stretching, blossoming rather than pulling or pushing. The pictures, the metaphors do matter here because they lead your body-mind into a living movement rather than into a frozen and painful spasm. I was very fortunate to receive the teaching of Mike Cross and although I am a very bad student and certainly not qualified to instruct anybody how to sit, I would say that this opened my eyes forever. The book that Jundo recommands is very good too and is clearly beyond any chapel or school of bodywork. I like that.


        http://www.amazon.com/Posture-Meditatio ... 625&sr=8-1


        Many Zen teachers in the West and in the East are mistaken as to how to sit and how to help others to sit. No kidding. The rigidity and dogma that prevail are just unbelievable. And, in too many cases, the casulties are many... Once and for all, there is no propper posture required (sorry Brad and so many other great guys), everyone has to go on an endless journey because this body-mind is ever changing.

        Happy if my very limited understanding makes a difference in your sitting.

        gassho

        Taigu

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        • Tb
          Member
          • Jan 2008
          • 3186

          #19
          Re: Zafu and zabuton?

          Hi.

          Just a thought.
          "proper posture" don't have to mean that there is "only one posture" that is always "the one".
          I know that there is a lot of people of people advocating "the one posture".
          For me "proper posture" don't mean that, but is more a way of expressing a way of sitting...
          A posture which is right one moment, may not be right the next.
          To go to the extreme that only one posture/sitting way is always right in this everchanging world...
          No, i don't think it's the right way to go...
          It's more up to the individual sitter to find his own way of sitting.

          ps. The proper posture book is a little new agey, but very good. highly recommended, if you can stand that.

          Mtfbwy
          Fugen
          Life is our temple and its all good practice
          Blog: http://fugenblog.blogspot.com/

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          • Eika
            Member
            • Sep 2007
            • 806

            #20
            Re: Zafu and zabuton?

            Hi, Anista.

            It is very rare, in my admittedly limited experience, to find someone who can sit with their back relaxed and straight without a cushion. If you are one of these rare folks, super, you don't need to use one.

            A quick Skype with Jundo or Taigu might help you with posture; if not, a local yoga person MAY be helpful (some might not).

            Gassho,
            Eika
            [size=150:m8cet5u6]??[/size:m8cet5u6] We are involved in a life that passes understanding and our highest business is our daily life---John Cage

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            • Shugen
              Member
              • Nov 2007
              • 4535

              #21
              Re: Zafu and zabuton?

              Thanks Al. The video was very interesting. I'm going to look into her books.

              Ron
              Meido Shugen
              明道 修眼

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