I was just wondering why this isn’t called, in Japanese, the Tenzogenzo…
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I want to say cause 教訓( kyōkun ) has the shared meaning of both lesson and precept, or moral teaching, where 教 is faith, doctrine or teaching and 訓 is instruction or explanation. So it goes beyond just lesson in an academic sense. The genzō in Shohogenzo comes from Daihui’s 正法眼藏 or Zhengfa Yanzang (read in Japanese as Shobogenzo) . Also, probably Dōgen just wanted to use that word in particular [emoji13] Jundo will correct me if I am wrong here . ( Thanks Ryumon for the motivation to go do some digging on the topic. Gassho )
Sorry for running a bit long
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Just use whatever vegetables you have, without disparaging their quality.
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A Goodish Book for a Buddhist Cook...I was just wondering why this isn’t called, in Japanese, the Tenzogenzo…
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Frankly, I think that we have to go in the other direction, time is money, and we have busy working Zen folks around here. So,
DOGEN-ON-THE-GO! TENZO-IN-TEN!
101 FAST Zen Meals for the Microwave, in 10 minutes or less!
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Set the timer, sit Zazen while it cooks, kill two cats with one stone.
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(oh, gee, somebody already stole my idea!)
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But also small footnote ...
That is not so. Where did you pick that up bit of information?... The genzō in Shohogenzo comes from Daihui’s 正法眼藏 or Zhengfa Yanzang (read in Japanese as Shobogenzo) ...
The expression "Shobogenzo" (something like "True Dharma Eye Storehouse/Treasury") was a common saying in Zen centuries before either Dogen or Dahui. It is what was traditionally quoted as Buddha's words when Buddha held up the flower and Mahakasyapa smiles in the famous Koan. It refers to the essence of the Buddha's realization and teaching:
I possess the Treasury of the Correct Dharma Eye , the wonderful heart-mind of Nirvana, the formless true form, the subtle Dharma gate, not established by written words, transmitted separately outside the teaching. I hand it over and entrust these encouraging words to Kashyapa.
Both Dahui and Dogen happened to take the reference as titles for some of their writings, but there is little chance that Dogen would have based his title selection on anything that Dahui wrote, assuming that Dogen even knew the work.
Now ... time for lunch.
Gassho, Jundo
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No no.. I meant the usage of the same kanji for the titles of both Dahui’s collection of Koans and Dogen’s. Carl Bielefeldt suggests Dogen might have picked up the title from him.
Enjoy lunch!!
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Yes, that suggestion ... and a couple of other things that Carl Bielefeldt says in his "Dogen's Manuals of Zen Meditation" ... are "half-baked."
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It is surprising that the good doctor does not mention that the term comes centuries before from the Flower Sermon.The practice of making [Koan] collections was, of course, a common one among Sung Ch'an authors, who used them as an opportunity to offer their own interpretations and appreciations of the wisdom of the elders. Indeed the fact that Dogen styled his effort "Shobo genzo" suggests that he had as his model a similar compilation of the same title by the most famous, of Sung masters, Ta-hui Tsung-kao.
Dr. Bielefe-it-or-not, who is something of a revisionist historian, was trying to "stir things up" with some of his comments in that book, and I find them lacking in ingredients sometimes.
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Ah! Gotcha! Thanks for clarifying. That man almost made me a liar [emoji23]
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