Perfectionism and over-effort during zazen and in life

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  • gaurdianaq
    Member
    • Jul 2020
    • 252

    #16
    Originally posted by Byrne
    Consistent effort. When your effort starts slacking, tighten it up.

    Gassho

    Sat Today
    Just make sure you don't tighten up too much either


    Evan,
    Sat today, lah
    Just going through life one day at a time!

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    • Yokai
      Member
      • Jan 2020
      • 507

      #17
      Life is rarely "perfect," so I advise folks to be sincere in their efforts but...not too loose and not too tight
      Thanks Jundo,

      I'm finding the Rakusu sewing a great lesson in this. Sincere effort, but accepting the perfection in imperfections. Especially for someone with perfectionist tendencies!

      Gassho, Chris satlah

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      • Tom A.
        Member
        • May 2020
        • 247

        #18
        Hi Matthieuw, here’s my take on it:

        Life is perfectly imperfect and in Zazen it’s beyond perfect and imperfect rather you are precious, whole and complete like all Buddha’s and ancestors. Trusting that I am whole and complete like a Buddha, I naturally, to quote you “return to 'being' - nothing special. How does one cultivate the quality of resting awareness (i.e, be aware) so that one doesn't get entangled in these qualities of mind”? When stressful situations come up one part of me perceives everything is accepting, equanimous, whole, complete, precious, non-stressful non-stress, not wanting more of anything, just the way it is and another part of me is completely stressed out. Like seeing different things in each eye as Jundo says sometimes.

        In the ZenofEverything podcast Jundo was asked what the secret of Zen is and Jundo replied something like: it is having two opposing views at once, like a tear of sadness rolling down the face and a smile of joy at the same time. Sorry this is more than three sentences but I think it’s extremely relevant.


        Gassho,
        Tom
        Sat/LAH
        Last edited by Tom A.; 09-25-2020, 03:40 AM.
        “Do what’s hard to do when it is the right thing to do.”- Robert Sopalsky

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        • Inshin
          Member
          • Jul 2020
          • 557

          #19
          Originally posted by Tai Shi
          I have to give credit to learning as father and husband. We learn best by doing. Remember most of you are younger, and life is what you are willing to surrender to.
          Gassho
          Deep bows
          sat/ lah
          Taishi


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          Letting go
          Of rejecting and clinging
          Racing thoughts and struggle
          To be where I am not
          I surrender to
          The firmness of zafu
          And the softness of breath

          Gassho
          Sat

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          • Jundo
            Treeleaf Founder and Priest
            • Apr 2006
            • 40353

            #20
            Originally posted by Ania
            Letting go
            Of rejecting and clinging
            Racing thoughts and struggle
            To be where I am not
            I surrender to
            The firmness of zafu
            And the softness of breath

            Gassho
            Sat
            ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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            • Tairin
              Member
              • Feb 2016
              • 2825

              #21
              Originally posted by ChrisKiwi
              Thanks Jundo,

              I'm finding the Rakusu sewing a great lesson in this. Sincere effort, but accepting the perfection in imperfections. Especially for someone with perfectionist tendencies!

              Gassho, Chris satlah
              Oh yeah! In spades! I am a perfectionist but sewing the Rakusu made me confront those tendencies.


              Tairin
              Sat today and lah
              泰林 - Tai Rin - Peaceful Woods

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              • Risho
                Member
                • May 2010
                • 3179

                #22
                Originally posted by Ania
                Letting go
                Of rejecting and clinging
                Racing thoughts and struggle
                To be where I am not
                I surrender to
                The firmness of zafu
                And the softness of breath

                Gassho
                Sat
                Awesome! Thank you

                Edit I have to add this from Tenso Kyokun; just read this from the 8th talk by Jundo and it is so resonant to this

                Even when, for example, one makes a soup of the crudest greens, one should not give rise to a mind that loathes it or takes its lightly; and even when one makes a soup of the finest cream, one should not give rise to a mind that feels glad and rejoices in it. If one is at the outset free from preferences, how could one have any aversions? Even when confronted with poor ingredients, there is no negligence whatsoever; even when faced with scanty ingredients, one exerts oneself. Do not change your mind in accordance with things. Whoever changes his mind in accordance with things, or revises his words to suit the person [he is speaking to], is not a man of the way.
                I love this mind of surrendering so you can really just be in it; not passivity but a path to true action, right action, not for the ego. So ordinary but a true miracle

                Again thank you Ania; beautiful poem.

                Apologies for going over 3 sentences

                Gassho

                rish
                -stlah
                Last edited by Risho; 09-26-2020, 03:47 PM.
                Email: risho.treeleaf@gmail.com

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                • Tai Shi
                  Member
                  • Oct 2014
                  • 3416

                  #23
                  Perfectionism and over-effort during zazen and in life

                  Ania, I have to admire your stick to it ness it’s great to see for all of you, I remember buying thread and cloth, realizing sewing rakusu was impossible and though I’d studied The Mind of Clover and Jundo’s suggested readings. I just say impossible because of my disability so almost too late I asked for help, and received beautiful green rakusu gift of my Sanghs, 2016, and again this year 2020 being part of Jukai, thank you for my rakusu, thank you back in 2016, my Sangha let me participate. Marjorie sewed my rakusu cover my beautiful wife of 38 years.
                  Gassho
                  sat/ lah
                  Tai Shi


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                  • Kokuu
                    Treeleaf Priest
                    • Nov 2012
                    • 6844

                    #24
                    Letting go
                    Of rejecting and clinging
                    Racing thoughts and struggle
                    To be where I am not
                    I surrender to
                    The firmness of zafu
                    And the softness of breath
                    Beautiful!

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                    • Seikan
                      Member
                      • Apr 2020
                      • 712

                      #25
                      Originally posted by Ania
                      Letting go
                      Of rejecting and clinging
                      Racing thoughts and struggle
                      To be where I am not
                      I surrender to
                      The firmness of zafu
                      And the softness of breath

                      Gassho
                      Sat
                      Beautiful verse Ania! The last line, in particular, really resonated with me.

                      Gassho,
                      Rob

                      -stlah-



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                      聖簡 Seikan (Sacred Simplicity)

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                      • Jakuden
                        Member
                        • Jun 2015
                        • 6141

                        #26
                        Beautiful words, Ania. Matthieuw, everything has been said here, so I will just say I still practice with this... every minute of every day. To attain the enlightened way... a way non-attainable. So let everyone's advice sink into your bones and changes will happen slowly, but don't expect to be perfect in dropping your perfectionism either!

                        Gassho,
                        Jakuden
                        SatToday

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