Did buddha really teach zazen or is it from bodhidharma?

[Jundo]

Sorry, added a few word I accidentally omitted ...

... I fly a 777 although is is much faster and more wondrous than the original glider at Kitty Hawk although the very same air and sky.



Gassho, J

STLah

[Juki]

Even if the practice of zazen cannot be directly attributed to the historical Buddha, it's my understanding (and I may be wrong - I frequently am), that the tradition of Zen, i.e. transmission outside word or scripture, definitely is attributable to the historical Buddha through the Flower sermon.

Gassho,
Juki

sat today and lah

[Nanrin]

Even if the practice of zazen cannot be directly attributed to the historical Buddha, it's my understanding (and I may be wrong - I frequently am), that the tradition of Zen, i.e. transmission outside word or scripture, definitely is attributable to the historical Buddha through the Flower sermon.

Gassho,
Juki

sat today and lah

The flower sermon is probably a chan (Chinese zen) invention from when zen began to grow and felt a need to prove it's legitimacy to competing schools. No other groups record it, and there is no evidence that there was a Sanskrit or other indic language version.

Still, just because the traditional narratives are not historical doesn't mean that didn't have something to teach.

Gassho,

Nanrin

Sat today

[Jundo]

What Nanrin said.

(I appreciate a person who knows their Atthakatha from their Abhidhamma)

Gassho, J

STLah

[dharmasponge]

As to this ...



I might drive a Ford although it is far removed from the Model-T that Henry Ford first developed in his genius, and I fly a 777 although is is much faster and more wondrous than the original glider at Kitty Hawk although the very same air and sky. If Thelonius Monk plays the piano, it is much the same instrument, yet a different expression, from how Chopin played, yet both are the same keys and notes expressed in equally excellent ways.

It is not so important to ask which is the original or first expression of driving or flying or playing, for different vehicles or sounds may suit different riders or players, and so more a matter of what gets going, takes flight or makes a good sound.

Gassho, J

STLah

I like this

STLah