Prostrations and the Rakusu

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  • Jundo
    Treeleaf Founder and Priest
    • Apr 2006
    • 40813

    #16
    Originally posted by Jakuden
    Another question here:

    In the Shukin tying illustration, are those 3 different ways to tie? It looks like that from the numbered order.

    I can already see how tying this with the robe sleeves hanging in the way will be good practice!

    Gassho
    Jakuden
    SatToday/LAH


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    No, they are steps.

    Are you bringing your belt to SF Retreat? We can do "minarai" (teaching by watching) there.

    Gassho, J

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    • Mp

      #17
      Originally posted by Anka
      I hope I do not hijack this thread but I also have a question for Shingen on prostrations. What is the "correct" method to use a 108 bead mala to keep going during prostrations? I got a beautiful hand made mala from a coworker but find using during prostrations to be awkward at best. Thanks in advance.

      Just sat
      James F

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      Hello James,

      Jundo beat me to the punch and said just what I was going to say. =) I also know the Tibetans are big on using a mala for resertation of mantras. In Zen not so much.

      However, if it is fine with Jundo, I am more then happy to do a little video of how I learned when I was with a Tibetan group (as I did the Ngondro practice, which the resertation of 9 mantras, 100,000 times each, along with prostrationd). Again not Zen, but this practice might call to you.

      What do you think Jundo?

      Gassho
      Shingen

      SatToday/LAH

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      • Jakuden
        Member
        • Jun 2015
        • 6141

        #18
        Originally posted by Jundo
        No, they are steps.

        Are you bringing your belt to SF Retreat? We can do "minarai" (teaching by watching) there.

        Gassho, J

        SatTodayLAH
        Yes I will bring it. I will be very grateful for the instruction!
        Gassho
        Jakuden
        SatToday/LAH


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        • Jundo
          Treeleaf Founder and Priest
          • Apr 2006
          • 40813

          #19
          Originally posted by Shingen

          What do you think Jundo?

          Gassho
          Shingen

          SatToday/LAH
          Couldn't hurt. Please do. I am not big around here for Mantra recitation however, as you know. But, let's see what ya got.

          Gassho, Jundo

          SatTodayLAH
          ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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          • Anka
            Member
            • Mar 2017
            • 202

            #20
            Jundo and Shingen,

            Thank you for the information. It appears my knowledge of Japanese Zen still has many holes.

            Again you show something great about this group. Accepting people of all backgrounds and offering assistance on a practice that isn't core to the TreeLeaf lineage. I look forward to you video Shingen and will look at that post.

            James F
            SAT

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            • Mp

              #21
              Originally posted by Anka
              Jundo and Shingen,

              Thank you for the information. It appears my knowledge of Japanese Zen still has many holes.

              Again you show something great about this group. Accepting people of all backgrounds and offering assistance on a practice that isn't core to the TreeLeaf lineage. I look forward to you video Shingen and will look at that post.

              James F
              SAT

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              Hello James,

              Ok, I will do a little video up for you. Yes, Zen doesn't follow such practices, but this might call to you. I agree with Jundo that I too am not a big fan of mantra recitation, but the prostration aspect is very nice, both for the physical body, but also in helping one let go of their ego. Even though there are different schools and styles, prostrations seems to be one common thread. =)

              Gassho
              Shingen

              SatToday/LAH

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              • Seishin
                Member
                • Aug 2016
                • 1522

                #22
                Many thanks for this teaching. Although I am sans Rakusu at the moment, I found your guidance on the aspects of bowing very useful.

                STMIZ / lah


                Seishin

                Sei - Meticulous
                Shin - Heart

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                • Washin
                  Senior Priest-in-Training
                  • Dec 2014
                  • 3812

                  #23
                  A good reminder..
                  Thank you for reposting the video, Shingen

                  Gassho
                  Washin
                  justsat
                  Kaidō (皆道) Every Way
                  Washin (和信) Harmony Trust
                  ----
                  I am a novice priest-in-training. Anything that I say must not be considered as teaching
                  and should be taken with a 'grain of salt'.

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                  • Jundo
                    Treeleaf Founder and Priest
                    • Apr 2006
                    • 40813

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Shingen
                    Hello James,

                    Ok, I will do a little video up for you. Yes, Zen doesn't follow such practices, but this might call to you. I agree with Jundo that I too am not a big fan of mantra recitation, but the prostration aspect is very nice, both for the physical body, but also in helping one let go of their ego. Even though there are different schools and styles, prostrations seems to be one common thread. =)

                    Gassho
                    Shingen

                    SatToday/LAH
                    Hi James,

                    After speaking with Shingen, I am going to ask him to share his video with your privately, and to others on request.

                    To cut to the chase, there are many very beautiful ways and flavors of Buddhist Practice. Here, I seek to offer a flavor of Practice that is less devotional and rather minimal on ritual than other lovely ways of Buddhist Practice. I do not wish to take focus from our core Practice of Shikantaza, and while we do have some other Practice we encourage such as "Giving and Receiving" (Tonglen), Metta and "Lend A Hand" daily deed Practice, they are meant to soften the heart toward charity, compassion and the suffering of others. In this case, I am not going to encourage this form of devotion. (While we do some prostrations during a few formal Ceremonies as a way to honor Tradition, I have even thought to perhaps stop all prostrations in our Community, and remain with standing Gassho bows, as more culturally suited to the West.)

                    So, while I know this is a powerful and beautiful Practice, and may be helpful, I am not going to present it here. I have asked Shingen to send his wonderful and graceful video to you, however, as you may have more resonance with it, and I don't want to keep you from it if helpful to you.

                    Gassho, Jundo

                    SatTodayLAH
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                    • Anka
                      Member
                      • Mar 2017
                      • 202

                      #25
                      Hi Jundo,

                      Completely understandable.
                      Thank you.

                      James F
                      SaT
                      LaH

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                      • Myogan
                        Member
                        • Aug 2015
                        • 375

                        #26
                        There's an app for that!


                        I go to a local Korean based Sanga (Kwan Um) so i have done th 108 prostrations (who needs aerobics).
                        I do use a way of positioning my hands in Gassho to count chants but it doesn't work in prostrations as you have to rely on the leader for that.

                        Gassho
                        Sat


                        Originally posted by Anka
                        I hope I do not hijack this thread but I also have a question for Shingen on prostrations. What is the "correct" method to use a 108 bead mala to keep going during prostrations? I got a beautiful hand made mala from a coworker but find using during prostrations to be awkward at best. Thanks in advance.

                        Just sat
                        James F

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                        Marc Connery
                        明岩
                        Myo̅ Gan - Bright Cliff

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                        • Souchi
                          Member
                          • Jan 2017
                          • 324

                          #27
                          "Bump" & thanks for the prostration tips

                          Gassho,
                          Stefan/Souchi

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                          • SoR
                            Member
                            • Dec 2011
                            • 103

                            #28
                            Originally posted by Shingen
                            Hello Enjaku,

                            I did this little video awhile back talking about such ... I hope it helps. =)

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                            Gassho
                            Shingen

                            SatToday/LAH

                            Thank you for this, Shingen. This is different than the form I learned. Perhaps it is different in the Korean tradition?

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                            I've gone through practice periods where I was doing 216 bows every night. It's a wonderful practice.

                            -Sam

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                            • Jundo
                              Treeleaf Founder and Priest
                              • Apr 2006
                              • 40813

                              #29
                              Yes, different Traditions in Asia do things in their own way ... sometimes different yet the same.

                              The 108 Bows daily seems like an excellent physical Practice. "216" seems twice as good.

                              The Tibetans have everyone topped ...

                              Sherab Gyalsten has already been on the road for one year and eight months.

                              He doesn't run or walk.

                              Instead, the Buddhist monk from Tibet takes three and a half steps forward, then prostrates flat on the road while chanting mantras. Then he gets up, folds his hands in prayer and repeats the process.

                              He averages six kilometres a day.

                              For protection he wears a thick apron, fortified shoes and gloves with a wooden pad on the palms.


                              Since my recent stomach surgery, I will be happy to get back to 3x!

                              If anyone is wondering about the significance of all this Prostrating, here is a little Talk ... A Practice of humility, though uncomfortable for many Westerners ... Let us just say that the world lifts you as you life the world ...

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                              In our Sangha, I leave a standing "Gassho" as an option for those who need or feel more comfortable that may. In the West, maybe we should just give Buddha a Handshake! Seriously!

                              Gassho, J

                              SatTodayLAH
                              ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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