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  • Shigeru
    Member
    • Feb 2024
    • 32

    My deepest gratitude to Jundo for these talks. I keep returning to the symbolism of the hand of thought whenever I find myself caught up in grasping too much at the clouds of my mind, both on and off the cushion. Powerful meaning in simple packaging

    Gassho
    Will
    SatLah
    Last edited by Shigeru; 03-29-2024, 11:56 PM.
    - Will

    Respecting others is my only duty - Ryokan

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    • nima
      Member
      • Mar 2024
      • 4

      Many thanks or the clear videos for beginners. In many Zen schools Koans are also used for students. Does this method use in Treeleaf too? may be for non-beginners?

      Gassho,
      Nima

      Sat/Lah

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      • Jundo
        Treeleaf Founder and Priest
        • Apr 2006
        • 39272

        Originally posted by nima
        Many thanks or the clear videos for beginners. In many Zen schools Koans are also used for students. Does this method use in Treeleaf too? may be for non-beginners?

        Gassho,
        Nima

        Sat/Lah
        Hi Nima,

        In Soto Zen, Koans are typically used more as teaching stories, not as some phrase to ponder during Zazen, and not as some curriculum to be moved through with mysterious answers expected like a test to be passed.

        If you would like examples, please look at some past reflections on the Koans of the Book of Serenity. For example, here is one such Koan ...

        Case 94: Tozan Unwell

        Tozan was unwell. A monk asked,
        "Your Reverence is unwell. Is there anyone who does not become ill?"
        Tozan said,
        "There is."
        The monk said,
        "Does the one who does not get ill take care of Your Reverence?"
        Tozan said,
        "The old monk is properly taking care of that one."
        The monk said,
        "How about when your Reverence takes care of that one?"
        Tozan said,
        "Then the old monk does not see that there is illness."
        And here are some reflections: https://www.treeleaf.org/forums/show...NIMITY-Case-94

        I am preparing now to soon begin a new, similar dance with the Koans of the Book of Serenity.

        Gassho, Jundo

        stlah
        ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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        • Hōzan
          Member
          • Dec 2022
          • 417

          Originally posted by Jundo
          I am preparing now to soon begin a new, similar dance with the Koans of the Book of Serenity.
          Looking forward!

          Gassho, Hōzan
          Satlah

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          • nima
            Member
            • Mar 2024
            • 4

            Originally posted by Jundo
            Hi Nima,

            In Soto Zen, Koans are typically used more as teaching stories, not as some phrase to ponder during Zazen, and not as some curriculum to be moved through with mysterious answers expected like a test to be passed.

            If you would like examples, please look at some past reflections on the Koans of the Book of Serenity. For example, here is one such Koan ...



            And here are some reflections: https://www.treeleaf.org/forums/show...NIMITY-Case-94

            I am preparing now to soon begin a new, similar dance with the Koans of the Book of Serenity.

            Gassho, Jundo

            stlah
            Many Thanks dear Jundo. Most of the Koans are two times harder for me (because of my almost poor English)

            Gassho,
            Nima

            Sat/Lah

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            • Jundo
              Treeleaf Founder and Priest
              • Apr 2006
              • 39272

              Originally posted by Hōzan
              Looking forward!

              Gassho, Hōzan
              Satlah
              I meant that I am planning a dance with "Blue Cliff Record" this time, not Book of Serenity ...

              Gassho, J

              stlah
              ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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              • Hōzan
                Member
                • Dec 2022
                • 417

                Originally posted by Jundo
                I meant that I am planning a dance with "Blue Cliff Record" this time, not Book of Serenity ...

                Gassho, J

                stlah
                Even more so then [emoji4]

                Gassho, Hōzan
                Satlah

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                • Snow
                  Member
                  • May 2024
                  • 21

                  I sat this morning after listening to the Mirror episode (10 I believe). The use of your daughter's blocks was especially endearing. I've been sitting Zazen as a daily thing for a few weeks now and it is feeling more natural each time. Thank you for the help.

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                  • Bion
                    Treeleaf Unsui
                    • Aug 2020
                    • 3734

                    Originally posted by Snow
                    I sat this morning after listening to the Mirror episode (10 I believe). The use of your daughter's blocks was especially endearing. I've been sitting Zazen as a daily thing for a few weeks now and it is feeling more natural each time. Thank you for the help.
                    Ah, fantastic!! I hope we coincide at one of the scheduled sits! Would be lovely to practice together

                    gassho
                    sat and lah
                    "Stepping back with open hands, is thoroughly comprehending life and death. Immediately you can sparkle and respond to the world." - Hongzhi

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                    • Snow
                      Member
                      • May 2024
                      • 21

                      Originally posted by Bion

                      Ah, fantastic!! I hope we coincide at one of the scheduled sits! Would be lovely to practice together

                      gassho
                      sat and lah
                      I intend to. I'm on the road at the moment for work and my schedule is challenging, but like all things this shall pass soon and I intend to join some of the online sits.

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                      • Bion
                        Treeleaf Unsui
                        • Aug 2020
                        • 3734

                        Originally posted by Snow

                        I intend to. I'm on the road at the moment for work and my schedule is challenging, but like all things this shall pass soon and I intend to join some of the online sits.
                        Whenever it happens, it’ll be a joy to say hello to you!

                        gassho
                        sat and lah
                        "Stepping back with open hands, is thoroughly comprehending life and death. Immediately you can sparkle and respond to the world." - Hongzhi

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                        • Snow
                          Member
                          • May 2024
                          • 21

                          I sat this morning after listening to episode 11 on breathing. I see the up and down of focusing on breath. On one hand, while doing so, I was not very aware of my other experiences and sensations, but I was extremely preoccupied with the next upcoming number.

                          “Here comes six, are you ready? Don’t lose track. Breath number 6, here we go. There it is. There is goes. Breath six. That means the next breath will be… oh yes, seven, prepare for breath seven, don’t forget this next breath is seven, here it comes…”

                          So on one hand, focusing on breath seems to make it very difficult for me to “open the hand of thought” because I am very intentionally holding that that particular thought so tightly. Of course, with the proverbial hand closed so tightly, that left very little room for other thoughts. Though of course some of the slippery buggers still got in.

                          Thank you for the tools.

                          -Erik

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                          • Jundo
                            Treeleaf Founder and Priest
                            • Apr 2006
                            • 39272

                            Originally posted by Snow
                            I sat this morning after listening to episode 11 on breathing. I see the up and down of focusing on breath. On one hand, while doing so, I was not very aware of my other experiences and sensations, but I was extremely preoccupied with the next upcoming number.

                            “Here comes six, are you ready? Don’t lose track. Breath number 6, here we go. There it is. There is goes. Breath six. That means the next breath will be… oh yes, seven, prepare for breath seven, don’t forget this next breath is seven, here it comes…”

                            So on one hand, focusing on breath seems to make it very difficult for me to “open the hand of thought” because I am very intentionally holding that that particular thought so tightly. Of course, with the proverbial hand closed so tightly, that left very little room for other thoughts. Though of course some of the slippery buggers still got in.

                            Thank you for the tools.

                            -Erik
                            Hi Snow,

                            Oh, we don't count breaths in our tradition. We just lightly follow as the breath enters and exists, at the nose. We even forget "inside/outside" as we are doing so, just following the incoming and receding waves without thought of coming or going. Eventually, we can move to open awareness.

                            But no counting, precisely for the reasons you describe.

                            Gassho, Jundo

                            stlah
                            ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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