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  • Cooperix
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    • Nov 2013
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    Zen of Creativity Chapter 6

    Chapter Six Jeweled Mirror

    In this chapter John Daido Loori is instructing us on how to be a ‘creative audience’. Certainly, a similar process to opening our creativity for the purpose of making art. This is different from ‘criticism’, this is exploring artwork in an intuitive, open way. Experiencing it without words, thought, memories and just seeing where the art takes us. How a work of art makes us FEEL. And thus, discovering what sort of impact our work has on others.

    There is certainly a place for art criticism. French poet and philosopher Paul Valéry defined art criticism as “..a form of literature which condenses or amplified, emphasizes or arranges or attempts to bring into harmony all the ideas that come to the mind when it is confronted by artistic phenomena”. But this creative audience is more personal, more a direct response from our peers to our art.

    It is important to be comfortable with the group of people we choose. To feel safe and trusting. We all know how easily we can be discouraged, even made to feel terribly inadequate when having our work analyzed, criticized, examined and discussed in harsh and rough terms.

    Although I’ve had my artwork critiqued by arts professionals over my career (which never fails to terrify me), I’ve not been part of such a group as this. I do have friends I can ask to look at certain pieces to get their opinion, but they are all people I trust and know they are sincere and honest. I do want honesty, not someone telling me what they think I want to hear. But as an aspiring writer, I’ve been a member of a ‘writers support group’. The number of participants has ranged from 5 to 7 over the years. I’ve learned so much from this group. And there was never any negative feedback. Not allowed! Never a negative atmosphere. We discussed what worked and why. I learned and grew from this association. It was also a wonderful impetus for me to write.

    So from my experience there is great advantage to having a group of people we trust to let us know if we are accomplishing what we intend to accomplish with our artwork.
    What about your experiences with feedback? Please share.

    I think being an artist makes us very vulnerable, we put ourselves out in the world in a way that no one else does.


    MEITOU'S PROMPT


    Hello everyone and welcome to the prompt for Chapter 6.

    As Anne has pointed out above, this chapter looks at creative feedback – but worry not, this prompt will not be asking you to critique the work of other members in this group, or indeed your own work – although we may come back to that at a later date. Instead I'd like us to enter into this frame of thinking in a simpler and more direct way.

    After having carefully read through the chapter and the exercises described by Evelyn Underhill and JDL, I'd like you to cast your mind back to something you have read, seen, heard, experienced, that affected you profoundly and then try to express how it made you feel. I've found that often it's a 'first' – the first book, poem, song, film, image that really moved something within me, something that resonated really deeply, that changed my way of thinking or my outlook. This response, more often than not, can be elusive when trying to capture it in words, unquantifiable, ineffable – and I feel that it's precisely this that distinguishes it from critique or opinion.

    I've always liked this quote from French writer Albert Camus ( which obviously applies equally to women!)
    “ A man's work is nothing but this slow trek to rediscover through the detours of art, those two or three great and simple images in whose presence his heart first opened.”

    Can you find again one, two or three things which opened your heart? Write as much or as little as you want and perhaps add an image or link to the work that inspired you. Let all judgement and more importantly, fear of judgement drop away, let your feelings shape the words and liberate them – and of course, have fun.


    We are both so grateful for your interest and participation in this project. So much to learn from each other!
    Gassho

    Anne & Meitou


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  • Jishin
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    • Oct 2012
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    #2
    Hi,

    I don’t like reading or writing very much (I do a lot of it at work) and never had much use for things like Facebook or Twitter. I was thrilled to find Instagram that uses mostly pictures as a form of communication. This was about 7 months ago and I been having a blast communicating this way.

    This is my flying turtle:

    IMG_0060.jpg

    Gasho, Jishin, __/stlah\__

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    • Jishin
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      • Oct 2012
      • 4821

      #3
      Zen of Creativity Chapter 6

      Originally posted by Cooperix
      So from my experience there is great advantage to having a group of people we trust to let us know if we are accomplishing what we intend to accomplish with our artwork.
      What about your experiences with feedback? Please share.

      I think being an artist makes us very vulnerable, we put ourselves out in the world in a way that no one else does.

      Hi,

      I am surrounded by supportive people that give me a lot of room to be very creative. It goes back to my mother (Jewish mother) telling me that I could do anything (supportive). I tend to surround myself with very kind people that I trust (family, Treeleafers and just a few friends), all of whom I trust.

      Regarding creativity, it is something natural to me. My family and friends have gotten used to it as it can be very humorous but also very annoying. With words I am constantly “clanging” (associating words by sound vs concepts) out loud. I also loose associate (associate with loosely held concepts) all the time. It makes it difficult to follow me but I can pull it together when I need to. I rather be “free” and without the restraints of linear logical thinking. It’s just more fun. I guess I have problems not being creative (childish thinking?).

      There is a book by a PhD with a mood disorder “Touched with Fire: Manic-Depressive Illness and the Artistic Temperament” that is interesting and goes into people with mood disorders and creativity. Clanging and loose association are forms of thinking that are often seen in people with psychiatric difficulties (me).

      All of us have some narcissism, it’s just a matter of degree. My mother told me I could do anything, so I believed her and I do things a lot of the time without fear of criticism. Criticism does not stop me like it may others. I am not sure how on point I am discussing this question.

      Gasho, Jishin, __/stlah\__
      Last edited by Jishin; 08-06-2019, 11:59 AM.

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      • Jishin
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        • Oct 2012
        • 4821

        #4
        Originally posted by Cooperix




        Can you find again one, two or three things which opened your heart? Write as much or as little as you want and perhaps add an image or link to the work that inspired you. Let all judgement and more importantly, fear of judgement drop away, let your feelings shape the words and liberate them – and of course, have fun.

        Hi,

        I am not really sure. There is so much out there that is interesting when we slow down to look at it. Artistic words I like are mostly from songs that I can listen to like “Imagine” by John Lennon as I do not like to read. As a child I lived in São Paulo, Brazil and across the street was the Modern Museum of Art where the neighborhood kids would hang out after playing soccer. I guess I was very lucky to have had access to great art as a kid.

        Gasho, Jishin, __/stlah\__

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        • Jishin
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          • Oct 2012
          • 4821

          #5
          Zen of Creativity Chapter 6

          Originally posted by Jishin
          Hi,

          I don’t like reading or writing very much (I do a lot of it at work) and never had much use for things like Facebook or Twitter. I was thrilled to find Instagram that uses mostly pictures as a form of communication. This was about 7 months ago and I been having a blast communicating this way.

          This is my flying turtle:

          [ATTACH]5878[/ATTACH]

          Gasho, Jishin, __/stlah\__
          This post is classic off the wall stuff for me. The best I can explain it is I enjoy taking pictures and loosely associate discussions about art with pictures I take because I like photography so much. The fact that it is not directly on point does not bother me too much (benign touch of narcissism).

          It’s a loose association that can be annoying to some, fun to others and make perfect sense to a minority of people I suspect.

          Gasho, Jishin, __/stlah\__
          Last edited by Jishin; 08-06-2019, 12:01 PM.

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          • Jishin
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            • Oct 2012
            • 4821

            #6
            Hi,

            This belongs in another part of the creativity discussion but I will put it here since it may be more appropriate.

            This is the creative process that went into the turtle picture above:

            Intrigue by images.

            Money to burn (photography can be very expensive although today's smartphones take amazing pictures making expensive photo equipment almost obsolete).

            Propensity for addiction but it's better than being hooked on alcohol (in recovery for 20 years).

            Creativity.

            Lots of study. About 300 hours of online courses in photography and using software for post editing like Lightroom.

            Lots of practice.

            Luck.

            I was in a dark room in a Zoo and they had a turtle exhibit. The turtle was going fast towards the top to get some air and I wanted to freeze her in action and not get a blurry picture. I had my settings to get the most light possible (the pupil of the camera was wide open) and at the same time I set the shutter speed of the camera to fast (like blinking the eye fast to catch a very small period of time of the turtle movement to "freeze" its motion). I was using an expensive camera and I knew that the camera would probably compensate for this mixture of settings and the picture not come out too dark or if it did I could fix it by lighting it up in post processing. I was able to get several pictures of the turtle and when home I examined them. I liked this one and played with the lighting. The picture was indeed a little dark but I could lighten it up to show the background quite nicely. But I played it the other way to see what would happen. I was able to make all the background turn black and also some of the foreground and only the very bright areas remained. I liked it how it turned out and so it was.

            In way of a supporting environment, my family is kind enough "enable" my new addiction by mostly leaving me undisturbed when I am playing with photos. Other people that I know (like treleafers such as Anne and Meitou don't criticize the stuff I put on Instagram and "like" the stuff they like and this is reinforcing.) My family just sort of ignores me in a benign way, mostly saying it looks ok and sometimes more.

            Thats story behind the "Flying Turtle".

            Gasho, ST
            Last edited by Jishin; 08-06-2019, 01:35 PM.

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            • Cooperix
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              • Nov 2013
              • 502

              #7
              Jishin,

              You have several things going for you. A supportive family starting as a child! huge. (My mother didn't think I could do anything.) And the continuing support of family and friends. An early exposure to art. And you have natural curiosity about the world around you and a very good eye! One thing about photographers they are always on the look out for the perfect shot (' the decisive moment' a la Henri Cartier-Bresson), so most are keen observers.

              And all that comes together for you to produce the amazing image of a flying turtle. wacky! beautiful! And just the right amount of disturbing. The ominous black background/foreground, the turtle coming from who knows where, above? below? radioactive colors all add the its mystique and surreal beauty. thanks, Jishin. Fine work!

              bowing...
              Anne

              ~st~

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              • Kyotai

                #8
                Originally posted by Jishin
                making expensive photo equipment almost obsolete).
                I'm not too sure about that [emoji1787]

                Gassho Kyotai
                Still havent sat



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                • Jishin
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                  • Oct 2012
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                  #9
                  Thank you Anne! You are too kind.

                  Gasho, Jishin, __/stlah\__

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                  • Jishin
                    Member
                    • Oct 2012
                    • 4821

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Kyotai
                    I'm not too sure about that [emoji1787]

                    Gassho Kyotai
                    Still havent sat



                    Sent from my SM-G950W using Tapatalk


                    Gasho, Jishin, __/stlah\__

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                    • Meitou
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                      • Feb 2017
                      • 1656

                      #11
                      Wow Jishin what great insights, so much here to think about and such a great discussion. Just now I'm without a computer, so it's difficult to get all that I want to post together via my little phone or comment more than this. Hopefully I'll be back to normal (wherever that is!) tomorrow.
                      Gassho
                      Meitou
                      Satwithyoualltoday lah
                      命 Mei - life
                      島 Tou - island

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                      • Meitou
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                        • Feb 2017
                        • 1656

                        #12
                        I've written elsewhere in the art forum about my negative experiences with clumsy critique, but briefly, as most people won't have read it, I went to art school in the early 70's and as an inexperienced and vulnerable 18 year old I found criticism very hard to take. The period in which I attended this particular school is considered now as its Golden Age and I'm only sorry now that I failed to capitalise on that. But to be fair, I don't think that tutors back then, although many of them brilliant artists and designers in their own fields, were necessary skilled teachers, in that they didn't follow up criticism with advice. I find this quite bizarre looking back. During my foundation year, a kind of try out year in which we were encouraged to explore different disciplines - a painting tutor told me I had no sense of colour. He didn't explain what he meant or offer any kind of advice, teaching or remedial practice, so I was left, at 18 years old, thinking it would be pointless to pursue any kind of creative painting, that I had best stick to graphic monotone imagery and would do better to apply myself to graphic design. All because of what amounted to an off the cuff remark and my timidity in not asking for clarification!
                        I can see now, with 40 plus years hindsight, that while elements of the graphic design course worked well for me - photography and typography, and in complimentary studies, film making and editing, and researching art and cinema history for my theses, overall this wasn't the course for me. The tutors were all men who were very oriented toward a slick type of commercial artwork, who had (literally)no time for students feeling their way in illustration or creative design, and were all about the deadline, making the money, making a name. At the end of each project there would be a 'crit', in which they would often call in visiting professionals to critique students' work - nightmare! A lot of harsh criticism was given out ( not just to me) but I cannot remember a single instance in which there was a follow up with students to discuss how their work could improve. It was tough. So tough that it ensured that once I left, I rarely took part in any creative activity again - in fact it would be 30 years before I found the confidence to tentatively dip my toe in creative waters again. This is why most of my social media activity is about supporting and showing my appreciation of artists of every stripe and trying to say, by not being afraid to show my own stuff, that we are all creative, we just need to put down all those conditioned responses and judgements ( particularly towards ourselves) and find the heart of ourselves before all that negative thinking set in.

                        As I've said in the past, I doubt that any of us at 5 years old sat in front of a piece of paper and thought 'Oooh no, I'm not good enough to draw a house'. That's where I want to be and where I want other people who lack confidence to be. It's kind of like beginners mind after all, open to every possibility.

                        And I agree with you Jishin about expensive photographic equipment - a mind open to creative possibilities and a good eye will find a great shot regardless of whether you have a £2000 camera or a little old Huawei android like mine. That's my opinion. Thank you for explaining the Turtle shot, it's amazing and also works well as an illustration of what we were talking about in Chapter 5 - seeing something for what else it is. I loved that you worked with filters and effects, I've tended to do little of this but feel inspired to experiment a bit more.

                        Gassho
                        Meitou
                        satwithyoualltoday
                        命 Mei - life
                        島 Tou - island

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                        • Jishin
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                          • Oct 2012
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                          #13
                          Zen of Creativity Chapter 6

                          Originally posted by Meitou
                          And I agree with you Jishin about expensive photographic equipment - a mind open to creative possibilities and a good eye will find a great shot regardless of whether you have a £2000 camera or a little old Huawei android like mine.


                          Here is a link to a course for $97 on iPhone photography that applies to Androids too.

                          iPhone Photo Academy will show you how to take incredible iPhone photos effortlessly


                          Huawei makes great phones. If anyone likes the Android platform and is about to get a new Android, get the Huawei P30 Pro. It has 4 front cameras and one in the back for selfies. It can do the wide angle shot, 5x optical magnification, 10x with very little loss of quality and up to 50x (unusable for much). The wide angle can be used for macros like flowers. The current iPhone has 2 cameras in the front, a 1x and a 2x that work great. It does up to 10x magnification digitally but this is not very useable. The 2x is great for macros like flowers. The new iPhone will surely have a wide angle (3 cameras in the front) and may have greater magnification than 2x.

                          It’s key to understand the difference in optical (magnification with physical lenses with little loss in quality) vs digital (magnification of image digitally with loss of a a lot of quality) magnification.

                          For the great majority of pictures smartphones work great. They say that the camera you have with you when the shot pops up is your best camera and I think this is true!

                          Gasho, Jishin, __/stlah\__
                          Last edited by Jishin; 08-09-2019, 12:35 PM.

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                          • Jinyo
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                            • Jan 2012
                            • 1957

                            #14
                            Thanks for sharing everyone - so much to think/talk about in this thread.

                            Meitou, Ann - can really relate to some of those early experiences where encouragement was less that forthcoming!

                            Following on from that - past adolescence I've always tried to be part of a supportive group - whether that be for art or writing.
                            I do appreciate constructive criticism and seek out feedback - especially in my writing. However, I still have that nagging voice in my head that
                            tells me I'm not much good at the things. Finding a voice through creative expression has become very important to me - it's not about ego - I'd be
                            happy not to 'sign' my name to any of my work - it's about feeling alive in the world and putting something out there that might inspire others - even if they just relate to it on a mundane level of communality of feeling.

                            An image that really moved me was at a collective show of the work from women attending a community project using art therapeutically. It was simply a piece of elastic stretched very tightly across a piece of card simply entitled 'my life'. It made me cry and still makes me cry now thinking about it. To my mind this anonymous woman had created a great piece of art conveying a deep feeling that others would relate to.

                            I have a great distrust of the 'art world' and much prefer art that comes from the fringes, the outer borders, the untutored and often anonymous. Outsider art.

                            I'm often moved by textiles and love ancient embroidery work - all those woman sat stitching day after day - dreams and thoughts and feelings invisibly embedded in stitches.

                            Jishin - I love your description of non-linear language - clanging and loose association. Could you give us a few lines - it would be a poem.

                            Chapter 6 has given me a lot to think about - could we stay here a little while as we're moving on quite fast?

                            Gassho

                            Jinyo

                            sat today

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                            • Kokuu
                              Dharma Transmitted Priest
                              • Nov 2012
                              • 6897

                              #15
                              Hi all!

                              At some point I think it is important to open your work to an audience and get a different perspective on what you are trying to do. That said, if someone wants to create art for their own enjoyment and never shares it with anyone, that is completely fine too! However, having an audience brings another dimension to any creative work, as other people will read different things into your work than you might have intended, and as John Daido Loori says, showing your work allows others to be touched by it. Good art communicates a feeling and for that to happen, it needs to be seen, heard or touched.

                              One of the first haiku groups I was a member of had a policy of zero negativity about anyone else's work. However, it was on Facebook so the general opinion on your poem could be discerned through the number of likes and positive comments. This was great as it meant that people were not afraid to post their work. However, as I got more confident, I wanted more criticism so found other groups which did offer (mostly) helpful critique. At that point I pretty much knew the quality of my work so was able to differentiate between good and bad suggestions.

                              I very much like JDL's idea of how to practice creative feedback. I wonder if we can use that on our own work, especially after a period of time has passed before its creation?

                              Gassho
                              Kokuu
                              -sattoday-

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