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"clarification"..... In my own practice a clear understanding has been very helpful. Sitting is not an understanding, it is direct, kinesthetic, im-mediate,.. but "Right Understanding" has really counted. The first factor of the Eightfold Path.."Right understanding", facilitates letting go, and a "wrong understanding" can hamper it. For instance the "Right Understanding" that all things, internal, external, subtle, and gross, are impermanent... when deeply reflected on, shines a light on the inner sense of a persisting or changeless experiencer. That sense is a subtle object of clinging, even when the mind is clear and silent. It hinders letting go.. as change, and sits there like a rock in the stream. "Right understanding' falls away along with "wrong understanding" in just sitting... but it still counts. Maybe that is an eccentric way of putting things, but it has been my experience.
Gassho, kojip
edit. just noticed that this post isn't that relevant... just riffing on the need to clarify.
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"clarification"..... In my own practice a clear understanding has been very helpful. Sitting is not an understanding, it is direct, kinesthetic, im-mediate,.. but "Right Understanding" has really counted. The first factor of the Eightfold Path.."Right understanding", facilitates letting go, and a "wrong understanding" can hamper it. For instance the "Right Understanding" that all things, internal, external, subtle, and gross, are impermanent... when deeply reflected on, shines a light on the inner sense of a persisting or changeless experiencer. That sense is a subtle object of clinging, even when the mind is clear and silent. It hinders letting go.. as change, and sits there like a rock in the stream. "Right understanding' falls away along with "wrong understanding" in just sitting... but it still counts. Maybe that is an eccentric way of putting things, but it has been my experience.
Gassho, kojip
edit. just noticed that this post isn't that relevant... just riffing on the need to clarify.
Then just let go!
Is not water stronger... what rock?
How clear is That?
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And thank you, Kojip, for this method of letting go and sharing what amounts to what, besides.
It was addressed to your post, but not necessarily just to you as yours wasn't to me. If you felt that way, those are your feelings and that is fine. It was my direct statement to just letting go, nothing added, nothing special, unless...
Are you really thankful for the thought, though?
I appreciate your psycho analysis.
GasshoLast edited by galen; 01-11-2013, 07:53 PM.Nothing SpecialComment
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Galen. I do not know you, but going by your posts, I think you play games and are not straight. Treeleaf is mainly where I practice... with less posting... I am not interested in engaging.
Gassho, kojip.Last edited by RichardH; 01-11-2013, 09:28 PM.Comment
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Kojip... this is my main place to practice, not sure how that is meaningful.
I also think you play games. Does that make your game of higher order then what you might call my game !? What is straight and what is crooked, is there a difference. You seemingly took what I first said personal, whos problem is that, if seemingly it is one?
With all that being said, I feel I know you after this many months.
GasshoLast edited by galen; 01-12-2013, 12:34 AM.Nothing SpecialComment
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Flapping mouths/mindsGassho, Shawn Jakudo Hinton
It all begins when we say, “I”. Everything that follows is illusion.
"Even to speak the word Buddha is dragging in the mud soaking wet; Even to say the word Zen is a total embarrassment."
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My apologies Kojip, my reply was supposed to be a question, not a statement or judgement. I honestly don't understand banter of this type. Is this some kind of "Dharma combat" I have heard of?Gassho, Shawn Jakudo Hinton
It all begins when we say, “I”. Everything that follows is illusion.
"Even to speak the word Buddha is dragging in the mud soaking wet; Even to say the word Zen is a total embarrassment."
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Having spent weeks eyeing this Sangha after a fortuitous series of search engine queries I feel like I've had one foot in the gate (lurking, more precisely) and the other out (questioning what I want; confronting my golden-dipped Dharma ideals). Unsaid I have asked, “Holy or common, truth or rubbish, worthy or unworthy, keeper or clunker.” Even stepping through the gate I have kept this asking. Tokusan has shouted; blowing away old shadows. I don’t know Truth. I don’t know if a word of This Place is Truth. But at least I hope I have bowed sincerely, if that is possible.
I think I’ll just sit.
Gassho,
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Oh, the sitting certainly is Truth! It must be! That is because we simply sit in/as/through-and-through What Is. What Is is us, and us What Is ...
So, since we simply sit What Is, such must be True!
But, some may ask us ... precisely what is this What Is we are sole wholly One with?
Well (while we certainly have some feelings and suppositions about What Is and what aint) ... We are so at home as What Is, so Wholly What Is, so simply What Is, that we are not really so concerned about What What Is Is or Is Not. What Is Is What Is, and that's Just What's What (we do not even ever really demand it be a "What" ... or even an "Is" ... )
So, since we simply sit in/as/through-and-through What Is, how can such fail to be Truth?
Gassho, J (having a little fun)Last edited by Jundo; 01-13-2013, 08:19 AM.ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLEComment
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And so we are back to "Just sit!". I love it..
Gassho, Shawn Jakudo Hinton
It all begins when we say, “I”. Everything that follows is illusion.
"Even to speak the word Buddha is dragging in the mud soaking wet; Even to say the word Zen is a total embarrassment."
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