WHAT's OFTEN MISSING in SHIKANTAZA EXPLANATIONS ....

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  • Jakudo
    Member
    • May 2009
    • 251

    #31
    Great stuff Jundo, thanks for this.
    Sat today


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    Gassho, Shawn Jakudo Hinton
    It all begins when we say, “I”. Everything that follows is illusion.
    "Even to speak the word Buddha is dragging in the mud soaking wet; Even to say the word Zen is a total embarrassment."
    寂道

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    • Ryudo
      Member
      • Nov 2015
      • 424

      #32
      It is as if we now encounter the world two different ways that are truly one: working for goals on the one hand, yet on the other, all goals dropped away; busy and pressed for time, yet tasting something beyond all measure of time. ...
      This reminds me so much of the yin/yang priciple as I use it in my Tai Chi practice, everything is about ballance...

      Gossho,
      Marcus
      流道
      Ryū Dou

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      • Byokan
        Treeleaf Priest
        • Apr 2014
        • 4289

        #33
        Golden. Thank you Jundo.

        Gassho
        Byōkan
        sat + lah
        展道 渺寛 Tendō Byōkan
        Please take my words with a big grain of salt. I know nothing. Wisdom is only found in our whole-hearted practice together.

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        • Eishuu

          #34
          Missed this the first time. Thank you. Will need to keep rereading this. I often struggle with faking a sense of completeness.

          Gassho
          Lucy
          ST/LAH

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          • Tai Shi
            Member
            • Oct 2014
            • 3430

            #35
            For thirty years I have thought of sobriety as like children's Chinese finger cuffs sold at carnivals, the acceptance and release. So, you see I was surprised to hear, see written this little metaphor that guided me 30 years and 6 months as I emerged the drunken sot that I was, am, and could be again what for the 12 steps that saved my life as I found the insanity of drink, reaching out for that Higher Power which I did then, and do now call God, the essence of the Universe, sand under feet, I am but sand, or nothing in the Universe so wide I cannot see, so isn't that what the Buddha did find, as did Jesus who called out on his suffering, My Father, why hast Thou forsaken me. You see, pain is the touchstone of life, bringing more life which I love in my beautiful silver-haired wife who fills my pill keeper each week. You see, I am 66, and there are some promises I must keep, some soundness of mind which does not embrace death, which asks for the life and birth of Enlightenment and Salvation the Buddha called Compassion for others, and Jesus called love thy neighbor as thyself, and that Providence has brought to each of that responsibility not just looking into the infinite, which is good true and beautiful, to quote John Keats who found this at age 22, but to give back Love, and this is what I believe.

            Tai Shi
            sat today'lah
            Gassho
            Peaceful, Tai Shi. Ubasoku; calm, supportive, for positive poetry 優婆塞 台 婆

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            • Jishin
              Member
              • Oct 2012
              • 4821

              #36
              WHAT's OFTEN MISSING in SHIKANTAZA EXPLANATIONS ....

              Originally posted by Tai Shi
              For thirty years I have thought of sobriety as like children's Chinese finger cuffs sold at carnivals, the acceptance and release. So, you see I was surprised to hear, see written this little metaphor that guided me 30 years and 6 months as I emerged the drunken sot that I was, am, and could be again what for the 12 steps that saved my life as I found the insanity of drink, reaching out for that Higher Power which I did then, and do now call God, the essence of the Universe, sand under feet, I am but sand, or nothing in the Universe so wide I cannot see, so isn't that what the Buddha did find, as did Jesus who called out on his suffering, My Father, why hast Thou forsaken me. You see, pain is the touchstone of life, bringing more life which I love in my beautiful silver-haired wife who fills my pill keeper each week. You see, I am 66, and there are some promises I must keep, some soundness of mind which does not embrace death, which asks for the life and birth of Enlightenment and Salvation the Buddha called Compassion for others, and Jesus called love thy neighbor as thyself, and that Providence has brought to each of that responsibility not just looking into the infinite, which is good true and beautiful, to quote John Keats who found this at age 22, but to give back Love, and this is what I believe.

              Tai Shi
              sat today'lah
              Gassho
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              Hi Tai Chi,

              If you think about it god may not exist and this could be a terrible thing.

              If you think about it Buddha also may not exist and this would be wonderful!

              Gasho, Jishin, _/st\_
              Last edited by Jishin; 11-28-2017, 07:23 PM.

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              • Jundo
                Treeleaf Founder and Priest
                • Apr 2006
                • 40501

                #37
                I am cool with anyone who wishes to be cool with God, and I feel that I am cool with God if there is a God or what ever she is.

                I am also cool with anyone who chooses not to believe in God, and I am cool if there is not god.

                Let us all just be cool. There is a long tradition in Buddhism and Zen too of people needing to sometimes call on "Other Power" when they need a little extra hand. The great Zen Buddhist, D.T.Suzuki, was actually also a long time follower of Amida Buddha who is "Other Power" in our Buddhist sense. Suzuki found Amida belief (Shin Buddhism) as unlike Christianity on various grounds, but I don't think that they are that far apart really.



                Gassho, Jundo

                SatTodayLAH
                ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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                • Jishin
                  Member
                  • Oct 2012
                  • 4821

                  #38
                  Well, I believe in what’s for dinner? Had a tough day at work and am ready to chow down somethin’ right tasty.

                  Later gator! [emoji41]

                  Gasho, Jishin, _/st\_

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                  • Risho
                    Member
                    • May 2010
                    • 3179

                    #39
                    I gotta riff on the cool man. lol

                    You know what's really cool is this zen mindset - for lack of a better term. It's not indifference/not caring; instead it is a "cool" sort of relaxation with not knowing; it's freeing. it's being ok with allowing everyone to believe what they feel and also cool to let people discuss their opinions on topics even if you disagree with them. It's pretty damned cool indeed.

                    It's the cool beyond hot and cold man. :P

                    Very good stuff - I hadn't visited this topic in quite a while.

                    Gassho,

                    Rish
                    -st/lah
                    Email: risho.treeleaf@gmail.com

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                    • Heisoku
                      Member
                      • Jun 2010
                      • 1338

                      #40
                      You gotta feel it and not 'feel it' in your bones.
                      Nothing is easy, no thing is hard.
                      Hara, heart and head just 'one bright pearl'.
                      Everyday sitting.

                      Gassho Jundo. I look forward to reading such a book when the time comes.

                      Gassho
                      Heisoku
                      S2D/LAH.

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                      Heisoku 平 息
                      Every day is a journey, and the journey itself is home. (Basho)

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                      • HAN SEN
                        Member
                        • Oct 2017
                        • 16

                        #41
                        Still good; great even.

                        Sat today/Lent a hand

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                        • moshezhang88
                          Member
                          • Apr 2016
                          • 51

                          #42
                          Thank you Jundo Roshi for this summary and the other information on Shikantaza.
                          There truly are so many things about this practice which seem to run counter to logic. What we are taught in the West adds to the problems.
                          I remember a few of the lessons I have had to learn.
                          Relaxing into quiet concentration.... when I thought I needed to push through...... Upon getting off my cushions, I had massive rushes of energy that I didn't know what to do with.... often used them wrong.... (but I got alot of stuff done!! hehe)
                          it was very counter productive in lots of ways.....
                          Then falling into quietist way of thinking, and always falling asleep because i hadn't "connected".
                          That, added to the beliefs which were pounded into me when I was young, that anyone who "emptied their mind" would have the bad red guy with the pitchfork grab them....... oh the pitfalls of being a PK. :
                          Went round and round for a long time......
                          Finding a home here in Treeleaf and "homing in" on Shikantaza is like a lifeline thrown to me.
                          Gratefulness
                          Gassho
                          Gerry
                          Sat Today

                          ........The continuous looping motion of the rakusu thread running through every moment.......
                          (At first, I really didn't understand the point of sewing the rakusu, other than patience.... but it has become a metaphor for breathing and kinhin and so much more)

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                          • Hyōhaku-sha

                            #43
                            Originally posted by Jundo
                            I am cool with anyone who wishes to be cool with God, and I feel that I am cool with God if there is a God or what ever she is.

                            I am also cool with anyone who chooses not to believe in God, and I am cool if there is not god.

                            Let us all just be cool. There is a long tradition in Buddhism and Zen too of people needing to sometimes call on "Other Power" when they need a little extra hand. The great Zen Buddhist, D.T.Suzuki, was actually also a long time follower of Amida Buddha who is "Other Power" in our Buddhist sense. Suzuki found Amida belief (Shin Buddhism) as unlike Christianity on various grounds, but I don't think that they are that far apart really.



                            Gassho, Jundo

                            SatTodayLAH
                            Reminds me of a Zenlike quote by Henry David Thoreau via Joseph Goldstein ( and I'm paraphrasing):

                            Thoreau's aunt asked Thoreau if he made his peace with god yet.
                            Thoreau replied "Why? I didn't know we ever quarreled."

                            Gassho
                            Tom
                            Sat/LAH


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                            • sosen
                              Member
                              • Oct 2018
                              • 82

                              #44
                              Thank you for this teaching Jundo _()_
                              it's so easy to lose this vital thread when we practice alone for a long time; when 'just sitting' can drift back to just sitting; a wonderful reminder of the essence of the practice.

                              _()_
                              sosen

                              st/lah

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                              • Teiro
                                Member
                                • Jan 2018
                                • 113

                                #45
                                Thank you for this teaching, Jundo.

                                Sit and the whole unsiverse sits through you. And even when you don’t sit you still sit.

                                Gassho
                                Christian

                                Sattoday
                                Teiro

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