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  • Jundo
    Treeleaf Founder and Priest
    • Apr 2006
    • 40953

    Sisyphus

    We are Sisyphus.


    Some folks think the point of this practice is to get to a place where we can put the stone down for good (perhaps by realizing that the stone is just a dream). Perhaps we might see Sisyphus's (?) pushing that boulder (of ignorance and delusion) as his practice, his striving, to finally be free of the boulder of delusion by reaching (attaining) that place where the boulder will rest at the top of the mountain permanently, his practice accomplished, Sisyphus free once and for all of the burden of delusion and need to practice.

    (or if trying to fix the world ... to get to that place where all of the world's problems are solved once and for all, and Planet Earth becomes Candyland or the Garden of Eden)

    It may be so for Perfect Buddha. However, so long as Sisyphus is a human being, we know that Sisyphus will likely never reach that stopping place ... perhaps not for countless lives, if ever ... The "Promised Pure Lotus Land" is very far away. I mean ... when we are dead, then we can put the rock down!

    What is more, if Sis' gives up his efforts to push the boulder of ignorance up that hill (practice), he will be quickly crushed by ignorance and delusions which will roll over him ... so he cannot and must not stop practicing.

    (and in trying to fix the world ... if we completely surrender and quit trying, this world will be a much worse place.)

    What is Sisyphus to do? Or not do? A Koany dilemma!

    Well, by realizing "Just This" total accomplishment in every step-by-step of effort he thus constantly arrives, is finally free of the boulder, attains that place of rest and ever and always accomplishes what there is to accomplish ... in the very act of constant practice with rocky delusion! "The earth where we stand is the Pure Lotus Land, and this very body the body of Buddha", to quote Hakuin.

    What is more, as he keeps pushing that boulder, he actually gets better at it ... learns to handle it better, keep control better ... he loses control and suffers the boulder rolling over him less often (although maybe still sometimes, until he is a 'Perfect Buddha'). The Practice is truly less of a burden!

    He finds that he is Buddha pushing Buddha up Buddha, that the very pushing is 'Buddha'.

    BUT (AND THIS IS MY MAIN POINT) ... every second, he must keep pushing because, if he stops, he will be run over ... and every second he risks tripping up and being crushed by that boulder! Practice never ends during this life! There is no guaranty ... even if you have been doing a glorious 'smashing' job of pushing that boulder 30 years ... that you will not stumble in the next step and be smashed!

    Still, the burden is not just "carrying a burden" ... but is the whole voyage of living life, and the "burdens" are our walking shoes!

    And that was Master Dogen's point of Practice is Enlightenment Itself ...

    (and in trying to save this world and its sentient beings ... step by step ... we might actually get something done!)

    It all ... mountain and stone and rolling and roller ... just Perfect Buddha all along.

    By the way ... I rather prefer this image of sisyphus as the rock as the mountain as sisyphus ... each causing and effecting the other in this thing we call "living" and "practice" ...


    Gassho, Sisyphus
    Last edited by Jundo; 12-11-2023, 12:36 PM.
    ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE
  • Govert
    Member
    • Aug 2009
    • 95

    #2
    Re: Sisyphus

    That is why I return to my cushion everytime, ... even if I think I have reached the top

    Gassho

    Ensho

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    • Onshin
      Member
      • Jul 2010
      • 462

      #3
      Re: Sisyphus

      Thats why I'm still doing it after 43 years, if I looked for a goal to start with, any such notions dropped away years ago, now I just sit, sometimes the boulder still gets the better of me - but I just start pushing again.

      Thanks again for a good teaching, nice to see a classical education coming in useful ocassionally.

      Gassho

      Joe
      "This traceless enlightenment continues endlessly" (Dogen Zenji)

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      • mr.Lou
        Member
        • Apr 2012
        • 61

        #4
        Originally posted by Jundo

        He finds that he is Buddha pushing Buddha up Buddha, that the very pushing is 'Buddha'.
        I really appreciate this statement. Could we also substitute this phrase 'He finds that he is dukkha pushing dukkha up dukkha, and that the very pushing is dukkha' because this is what I feel like when the boulder rolls over me, like it did a few days ago when I boiled over so fully with anger that I suddenly realized I was dukkha and I immediately went and sat.
        thank you
        -Lou Sat Today

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        • Jundo
          Treeleaf Founder and Priest
          • Apr 2006
          • 40953

          #5
          Hi Lou,

          Yes, Buddha is Dukkha and Dukkha is Buddha precisely. Anger too.

          Nonetheless, one had best see through Dukkha and Anger to be free thereof, finding Buddha.

          Gassho, J
          ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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          • MyoHo
            Member
            • Feb 2013
            • 632

            #6
            A great analogy! Thank you Jundo

            Jundo, can we say Sis' would 'achieve' something, if he realized pushing the rock is just what he does? That the pushing is ít and it's ok? That the rock defines him, the steep mountain defines him and the pushing defines him. Without these there would be no Sis'. So Sis' is everything and everything in the story is Sis'. The activity and the subjects in the story is a whole, like us and life?

            Looking at the picture I'd wish he could have a short rest, and I would get the guy a glass of lemonade. By thinking this I now too am pushing the rock!

            Gassho

            Enkyo/Peter/ poata peal
            Mu

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            • Kyonin
              Dharma Transmitted Priest
              • Oct 2010
              • 6748

              #7
              Pushing the boulder up is the perfect analogy for practice... and life.

              We may suffer pushing upwards and get tired of it. We may find little stations where we rest, but if we stay there too long, we won't reach the top.

              But then again, the top is far and hidden in the clouds.

              Must keep on.

              Thank you, Jundo. I haven't had the chance to read this post, but it came in a wonderful time.

              Gassho,

              Kyonin
              Hondō Kyōnin
              奔道 協忍

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              • Jiken
                Member
                • Jan 2011
                • 753

                #8
                Again this was a great analogy for me as well. Really rang true for me. Something i will read often.

                Thanks Jundo

                Gassho

                Daido

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                • Yugen

                  #9
                  So in the cross-cultural mythical analogy / metaphor department, how are we to interpret the eagle eating Prometheus' liver while he is chained to the rock? :-D

                  It seems in Greek mythology nice things do not happen around rocks or stones. Managing life's burden = suffering I suppose.

                  'O alithestatos dromos pantote faneros einai. (sorry no classical greek script on my iphone)
                  Deep bows
                  Yugen
                  Last edited by Guest; 03-18-2013, 05:00 PM.

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                  • Nenka
                    Member
                    • Aug 2010
                    • 1239

                    #10
                    I confess I have trouble with this sometimes, always rolling the stone, never reaching anything. I don't know if it's because I'm part of a culture that is so, so goal-driven, or if it's just because I'm coming up on middle age. (Shouldn't i have achieved this by now? Shouldn't I have done that? Shouldn't I be . . . etc.) Sometimes it's hard for me to sit with this being IS all it is . . .

                    . . . but what was that old song? Is that all there is? Is that all there is? If that's all there is, my friend, then let's keep dancing .. .

                    Gassho

                    Jen

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                    • Jinyo
                      Member
                      • Jan 2012
                      • 1957

                      #11
                      I have a vague memory of writing an essay on Camus's ' Myth of Sisyphus - something about revolt, freedom and passion in the face of 'the absurd' - and why suicide is not an answer to a world devoid of meaning and purpose.

                      Mm.... and in a more cheerful vein:

                      'One must imagine Sisyphus happy'
                      - Albert Camus


                      Willow

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                      • Nikola Mironija
                        Member
                        • Feb 2013
                        • 15

                        #12
                        Interesting thing is that Cammus also used a Sisyphus as a metaphore. Though I haven't read it, I've heard that his solution was to "picture Sisyphus as happy."
                        When I heard about that, I thought at first (remember, I haven't read it) "What the hell should he be happy about? He's pushing a big friggin' boulder for nothing!". But, then again, why shouldn't he be happy? What makes pushing the rock such an inherently worthless work? Could it be that "worthines" of some work is, like beauty, in the eyes of a beholder? And there is no beholder without Sisyphus.
                        So, he pushed a Rock Buddha (YEEEEEAAAAAH! :need some kind of a rock 'n' roll smiley over here over the edge, and then went back down the hill so that he may roll him up and push him again.
                        These are my curent thoughts about this parable
                        "Stone by stone- a pallace!"
                        Serbian proverb

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                        • Nikola Mironija
                          Member
                          • Feb 2013
                          • 15

                          #13
                          Originally posted by willow
                          I have a vague memory of writing an essay on Camus's ' Myth of Sisyphus - something about revolt, freedom and passion in the face of 'the absurd' - and why suicide is not an answer to a world devoid of meaning and purpose.

                          Mm.... and in a more cheerful vein:

                          'One must imagine Sisyphus happy'
                          - Albert Camus


                          Willow
                          Great minds think alike
                          "Stone by stone- a pallace!"
                          Serbian proverb

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                          • Jinyo
                            Member
                            • Jan 2012
                            • 1957

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Yugen
                            So in the cross-cultural mythical analogy / metaphor department, how are we to interpret the eagle eating Prometheus' liver while he is chained to the rock? :-D

                            It seems in Greek mythology nice things do not happen around rocks or stones. Managing life's burden = suffering I suppose.

                            'O alithestatos dromos pantote faneros einai. (sorry no classical greek script on my iphone)
                            Deep bows
                            Yugen
                            Seem to be having a day of book synchronicity! Moving swiftly on from Camus's take on Sisyphus to Ihab Hassan's take on
                            Prometheus in his experimental book 'The Right Promethian Fire' where Prometheus's fire is re-figured as the pain of mind - the torment of the vulture.

                            '... what premonitions of a new order did Prometheus glimpse there, chained to his rock? His answers riddle time'

                            sounds like a Koan

                            Gassho

                            Willow

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                            • Yugen

                              #15
                              '... what premonitions of a new order did Prometheus glimpse there, chained to his rock? His answers riddle time'

                              You 'posthumanist' you! I might settle for deconstructionist myself....

                              Cheers Willow!

                              Deep bows
                              Yugen

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