SIT-A-LONG with JUNDO: I Don't Believe in Buddha!!

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  • Adrian
    Member
    • Apr 2011
    • 69

    #16
    Re: SIT-A-LONG with JUNDO: I Don't Believe in Buddha!!

    Thanks JR
    "Whatsa Who'sa Bodhisattva?" :-D (Where are the smilies?)
    I trawled all over the Board and finally found it - right under this topic!
    My aside about compassion wasn't directed at anyone. It was in my mind, as I'd just been reviewing an article about Buddhist reformers in Thailand and how they have to compromise somewhat with folk-beliefs and practices (magic and superstition), especially in rural areas, or the people would simply not come to them.
    Metta
    Adrian

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    • AlanLa
      Member
      • Mar 2008
      • 1405

      #17
      Re: SIT-A-LONG with JUNDO: I Don't Believe in Buddha!!

      Excerpted from the great John Lennon:
      I don't believe in magic,
      I don't believe in I-ching,
      I don't believe in bible,
      I don't believe in tarot,
      I don't believe in Hitler,
      I don't believe in Jesus,
      I don't believe in Kennedy,
      I don't believe in Buddha,
      I don't believe in mantra,
      I don't believe in Gita,
      I don't believe in yoga,
      I don't believe in kings,
      I don't believe in Elvis,
      I don't believe in Zimmerman...
      I don't believe in Beatles,
      I just believe in me,
      AL (Jigen) in:
      Faith/Trust
      Courage/Love
      Awareness/Action!

      I sat today

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      • Jundo
        Treeleaf Founder and Priest
        • Apr 2006
        • 40264

        #18
        Re: SIT-A-LONG with JUNDO: I Don't Believe in Buddha!!

        Originally posted by AlanLa
        I just believe in me,
        Well, in Buddhism, we do not even believe in that. :shock:
        ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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        • AlanLa
          Member
          • Mar 2008
          • 1405

          #19
          Re: SIT-A-LONG with JUNDO: I Don't Believe in Buddha!!

          Oops, yeah, I should've caught that, but didn't, which is interesting.
          AL (Jigen) in:
          Faith/Trust
          Courage/Love
          Awareness/Action!

          I sat today

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          • Ekai
            Member
            • Feb 2011
            • 672

            #20
            Re: SIT-A-LONG with JUNDO: I Don't Believe in Buddha!!

            I really enjoyed this teaching and I agree with it. Very upfront and to the point.

            Thank you,
            Jodi

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            • Jundo
              Treeleaf Founder and Priest
              • Apr 2006
              • 40264

              #21
              Re: SIT-A-LONG with JUNDO: I Don't Believe in Buddha!!

              A WONDERFUL, belly laugh filled post at Nella Lou's Madhushala Blog -- The Buddhist Blogger's Crackpot Scale ...

              http://notwoo.wordpress.com/2011/05/01/ ... pot-scale/

              Here is part of it, but the whole list is priceless! Funny and oh so true! (I think I get 10 points for the capitalized "WONDERFUL")


              This can be used to evaluate blogs, comments, articles, Facebook notes and even Twitter. I can also think of a few mainstream Buddhist publications that might want to include it in their editorial policies. The higher the score the closer to woo one gets.
              •A -5 point starting credit. Might as well keep this one as there will be some who can use all the advantages they can get.
              •1 point for every statement that is widely agreed on to be false. This includes fake Buddha quotes, popular interpretations of secondary interpretations of poor translations of original Buddhist writings, blatant historical inaccuracies and distortions.
              •2 points for every statement that is clearly vacuous. “Because you and I don’t exist” is not an excuse for anything.
              •3 points for every statement that is logically inconsistent. A contradiction is a contradiction no matter how many times one quotes the Heart Sutra as a defense.
              •5 points for each such statement that is adhered to despite careful correction. Stubbornness is not one of the paramitas.
              •5 points for using a personal theory that contradicts the results of actual scholarship, practice, doctrine and general consensual reality. This would include such things as astral travelers whispering new sutras about the dharma of Lady Gaga to you while you sleep.
              •5 points for each word in all capital letters (except for those with defective keyboards).
              •5 points for each mention of "Chopra", "Tolle" or "saw that on Oprah".
              ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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              • Kyonin
                Treeleaf Priest / Engineer
                • Oct 2010
                • 6746

                #22
                Re: SIT-A-LONG with JUNDO: I Don't Believe in Buddha!!

                What a great little lesson on realism.

                Yes, I have always wondered how did they manage to get away in imbuing all those magic powers onto the Buddha. Perhaps it was the sign of the times?

                At any rate what I like about Buddhism is the fact that you just don't have to believe. You have to practice and see for yourself.

                Thanks, Jundo Sensei.
                Hondō Kyōnin
                奔道 協忍

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                • Shokai
                  Treeleaf Priest
                  • Mar 2009
                  • 6393

                  #23
                  Re: SIT-A-LONG with JUNDO: I Don't Believe in Buddha!!

                  Thank you Jundo-oso;

                  If only this candidness could be conveyed in every religion.
                  Perhaps all beings could live in better harmony; being given a clearer perspective of the message.
                  The so Simple Message:
                  Be kind to others, Be true to yourself, you are what you think, it's never too late to change your mind.
                  http://www3.sympatico.ca/rjmaxwell/irwin.gif

                  p.s. Where have i seen that cat before?
                  合掌,生開
                  gassho, Shokai

                  仁道 生開 / Jindo Shokai

                  "Open to life in a benevolent way"

                  https://sarushinzendo.wordpress.com/

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                  • anista
                    Member
                    • Dec 2009
                    • 262

                    #24
                    Re: SIT-A-LONG with JUNDO: I Don't Believe in Buddha!!

                    Originally posted by chocobuda
                    Yes, I have always wondered how did they manage to get away in imbuing all those magic powers onto the Buddha. Perhaps it was the sign of the times?
                    Perhaps. Or perhaps, those magic powers were real. We can't know what they realized, only what we can realize by ourselves.

                    At any rate what I like about Buddhism is the fact that you just don't have to believe. You have to practice and see for yourself.
                    Sure, but there is belief in there as well. Belief in dependent co-arising, belief in sa?s?ra, and belief in what the Buddha found out. But then it's absolutely up to you to realize that belief, seeing it with your own eyes.

                    Edit: BBCode seems to be off, and can't change it back. Sorry. That's why the quote thing doesn't seem to work, at least not for me.
                    The mind does not know itself; the mind does not see itself
                    The mind that fabricates perceptions is false; the mind without perceptions is nirv??a

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                    • Gary
                      Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 251

                      #25
                      Re: SIT-A-LONG with JUNDO: I Don't Believe in Buddha!!

                      Thank you Jundo
                      Gassho
                      Gary
                      Drinking tea and eating rice.

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                      • Dosho
                        Member
                        • Jun 2008
                        • 5784

                        #26
                        Re: SIT-A-LONG with JUNDO: I Don't Believe in Buddha!!

                        I don't believe in Buddhas, but I do believe in Master Tin Tin!

                        Thank you Jundo.

                        Gassho,
                        Dosho

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                        • Risho
                          Member
                          • May 2010
                          • 3179

                          #27
                          Re: SIT-A-LONG with JUNDO: I Don't Believe in Buddha!!

                          Thank you Jundo Sensei!

                          In a way doesn't everything come down to belief? We can say it's direct experience, but don't we have to have faith that what we experience directly is really how it is?

                          Gassho,

                          Risho
                          Email: risho.treeleaf@gmail.com

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                          • Kaishin
                            Member
                            • Dec 2010
                            • 2322

                            #28
                            Re: SIT-A-LONG with JUNDO: I Don't Believe in Buddha!!

                            At any rate what I like about Buddhism is the fact that you just don't have to believe. You have to practice and see for yourself.

                            Sure, but there is belief in there as well. Belief in dependent co-arising, belief in sa?s?ra, and belief in what the Buddha found out. But then it's absolutely up to you to realize that belief, seeing it with your own eyes.
                            Belief isn't a prerequisite for investigation. You can say, "what that Buddha guy says makes a lot of sense; I think I will investigate it." You needn't say "what that Buddha guy says is right, I just know it, I *believe* it--now I'll investigate it.

                            I don't believe anything the Buddha said. I don't believe anything Dogen said. I don't believe anything Jundo or Taigu said. I don't believe anything you've said. I don't believe anything *I've* said.

                            Do. Check. Act.
                            Thanks,
                            Kaishin (開心, Open Heart)
                            Please take this layman's words with a grain of salt.

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                            • Jundo
                              Treeleaf Founder and Priest
                              • Apr 2006
                              • 40264

                              #29
                              Re: SIT-A-LONG with JUNDO: I Don't Believe in Buddha!!

                              I came upon this poem by Dogen, which also reminds me of Taigu's lovely talk today about visiting a garden where Amida Buddha is enshrined. Here, Master Dogen was visiting a famous island and mountain in China where Kannon (Guanyin in Chinese) Bodhisattva is said to reside and appear in a Grotto cave ... something like Lourdes in France where the Madonna is said to appear.

                              It is called Mount Potalaka (by the way, the source of the name "Potala Palace", home to the Dalai Lama in Llasa, as he is said to be an incarnation of Kannon).

                              Dogen writes ...

                              [Guanyin is found] amid hearing, considering, practicing, and truly verifying the mind,
                              Why seek appearances of her sacred face within a cave?
                              I proclaim that pilgrims must themselves awaken.
                              Guanyin does not abide on Potalaka Mountain

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                              ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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                              • Risho
                                Member
                                • May 2010
                                • 3179

                                #30
                                Re: SIT-A-LONG with JUNDO: I Don't Believe in Buddha!!

                                Gassho
                                Email: risho.treeleaf@gmail.com

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