SIT-A-LONG with JUNDO: I Don't Believe in Buddha!!

[Adrian]

Re: SIT-A-LONG with JUNDO: I Don't Believe in Buddha!!

Thanks JR
"Whatsa Who'sa Bodhisattva?" :-D (Where are the smilies?)
I trawled all over the Board and finally found it - right under this topic!
My aside about compassion wasn't directed at anyone. It was in my mind, as I'd just been reviewing an article about Buddhist reformers in Thailand and how they have to compromise somewhat with folk-beliefs and practices (magic and superstition), especially in rural areas, or the people would simply not come to them.
Metta
Adrian

[AlanLa]

Re: SIT-A-LONG with JUNDO: I Don't Believe in Buddha!!

Excerpted from the great John Lennon:
I don't believe in magic,
I don't believe in I-ching,
I don't believe in bible,
I don't believe in tarot,
I don't believe in Hitler,
I don't believe in Jesus,
I don't believe in Kennedy,
I don't believe in Buddha,
I don't believe in mantra,
I don't believe in Gita,
I don't believe in yoga,
I don't believe in kings,
I don't believe in Elvis,
I don't believe in Zimmerman...
I don't believe in Beatles,
I just believe in me,

[Jundo]

Re: SIT-A-LONG with JUNDO: I Don't Believe in Buddha!!

I just believe in me,

Well, in Buddhism, we do not even believe in that. :shock:

[AlanLa]

Re: SIT-A-LONG with JUNDO: I Don't Believe in Buddha!!

Oops, yeah, I should've caught that, but didn't, which is interesting.

[Ekai]

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I really enjoyed this teaching and I agree with it. Very upfront and to the point.

Thank you,
Jodi

[Jundo]

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A WONDERFUL, belly laugh filled post at Nella Lou's Madhushala Blog -- The Buddhist Blogger's Crackpot Scale ...

http://notwoo.wordpress.com/2011/05/01/ ... pot-scale/

Here is part of it, but the whole list is priceless! Funny and oh so true! (I think I get 10 points for the capitalized "WONDERFUL")

This can be used to evaluate blogs, comments, articles, Facebook notes and even Twitter. I can also think of a few mainstream Buddhist publications that might want to include it in their editorial policies. The higher the score the closer to woo one gets.
•A -5 point starting credit. Might as well keep this one as there will be some who can use all the advantages they can get.
•1 point for every statement that is widely agreed on to be false. This includes fake Buddha quotes, popular interpretations of secondary interpretations of poor translations of original Buddhist writings, blatant historical inaccuracies and distortions.
•2 points for every statement that is clearly vacuous. “Because you and I don’t exist” is not an excuse for anything.
•3 points for every statement that is logically inconsistent. A contradiction is a contradiction no matter how many times one quotes the Heart Sutra as a defense.
•5 points for each such statement that is adhered to despite careful correction. Stubbornness is not one of the paramitas.
•5 points for using a personal theory that contradicts the results of actual scholarship, practice, doctrine and general consensual reality. This would include such things as astral travelers whispering new sutras about the dharma of Lady Gaga to you while you sleep.
•5 points for each word in all capital letters (except for those with defective keyboards).
•5 points for each mention of "Chopra", "Tolle" or "saw that on Oprah".

[Kyonin]

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What a great little lesson on realism.

Yes, I have always wondered how did they manage to get away in imbuing all those magic powers onto the Buddha. Perhaps it was the sign of the times?

At any rate what I like about Buddhism is the fact that you just don't have to believe. You have to practice and see for yourself.

Thanks, Jundo Sensei.

[Shokai]

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Thank you Jundo-oso;

If only this candidness could be conveyed in every religion.
Perhaps all beings could live in better harmony; being given a clearer perspective of the message.
The so Simple Message:
Be kind to others, Be true to yourself, you are what you think, it's never too late to change your mind.
http://www3.sympatico.ca/rjmaxwell/irwin.gif

p.s. Where have i seen that cat before?

[anista]

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Yes, I have always wondered how did they manage to get away in imbuing all those magic powers onto the Buddha. Perhaps it was the sign of the times?

Perhaps. Or perhaps, those magic powers were real. We can't know what they realized, only what we can realize by ourselves.

At any rate what I like about Buddhism is the fact that you just don't have to believe. You have to practice and see for yourself.

Sure, but there is belief in there as well. Belief in dependent co-arising, belief in sa?s?ra, and belief in what the Buddha found out. But then it's absolutely up to you to realize that belief, seeing it with your own eyes.

Edit: BBCode seems to be off, and can't change it back. Sorry. That's why the quote thing doesn't seem to work, at least not for me.

[Gary]

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Thank you Jundo
Gassho
Gary

[Dosho]

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I don't believe in Buddhas, but I do believe in Master Tin Tin!

Thank you Jundo.

Gassho,
Dosho

[Risho]

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Thank you Jundo Sensei!

In a way doesn't everything come down to belief? We can say it's direct experience, but don't we have to have faith that what we experience directly is really how it is?

Gassho,

Risho

[Kaishin]

Re: SIT-A-LONG with JUNDO: I Don't Believe in Buddha!!

At any rate what I like about Buddhism is the fact that you just don't have to believe. You have to practice and see for yourself.

Sure, but there is belief in there as well. Belief in dependent co-arising, belief in sa?s?ra, and belief in what the Buddha found out. But then it's absolutely up to you to realize that belief, seeing it with your own eyes.

Belief isn't a prerequisite for investigation. You can say, "what that Buddha guy says makes a lot of sense; I think I will investigate it." You needn't say "what that Buddha guy says is right, I just know it, I *believe* it--now I'll investigate it.

I don't believe anything the Buddha said. I don't believe anything Dogen said. I don't believe anything Jundo or Taigu said. I don't believe anything you've said. I don't believe anything *I've* said.

Do. Check. Act.

[Jundo]

Re: SIT-A-LONG with JUNDO: I Don't Believe in Buddha!!

I came upon this poem by Dogen, which also reminds me of Taigu's lovely talk today about visiting a garden where Amida Buddha is enshrined. Here, Master Dogen was visiting a famous island and mountain in China where Kannon (Guanyin in Chinese) Bodhisattva is said to reside and appear in a Grotto cave ... something like Lourdes in France where the Madonna is said to appear.

It is called Mount Potalaka (by the way, the source of the name "Potala Palace", home to the Dalai Lama in Llasa, as he is said to be an incarnation of Kannon).

Dogen writes ...

[Guanyin is found] amid hearing, considering, practicing, and truly verifying the mind,
Why seek appearances of her sacred face within a cave?
I proclaim that pilgrims must themselves awaken.
Guanyin does not abide on Potalaka Mountain
.
.

[Risho]

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Gassho