Shikantaza: Not Joining the Conversation, Not Going for a Ride

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  • Jundo
    Treeleaf Founder and Priest
    • Apr 2006
    • 40188

    Shikantaza: Not Joining the Conversation, Not Going for a Ride


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    Someone wrote to ask about the passing thoughts, the conversations with oneself which will arise in our heads during Shikantaza. It is often said that, while we do not strive to forcibly stop the thoughts and chatter of the mind in Zazen, neither should we indulge in thought, join in or stir up our thoughts. So, what does it mean to "open the hand of thought" and "let go of thinking" in Zazen?

    Here are a couple of good analogies I've heard:

    First, imagine what it would be like to be at a party and to witness a conversation happening across the room between two people, but you simply do not join in or feel concern about the topic. In fact, you do not even pay attention to what is being said. You are seated across the room as they chatter, seeing the room and hearing all the murmur, but feeling equanimity and no particular care about what's going on. You are sitting in peace, even if it seems quite a heated conversation. You sit as mere witness, not jumping into anyone's arguments and debate or idle chitchat. Every once in awhile the room will grow very quiet, but other times sounds and talking may be heard. You sit unconcerned in any case, neither demanding quiet, nor rejecting quiet, nor bothered by the noise ... allowing all, just the same.

    That party is in your own head. You do not seek to silence the party goers. But neither do you jump into their conversations. This is how we enjoy this Zazen party! And if finding yourself in a heated discussion and debate or silly chitchat, step gently away, return to just observing from your sitting place.

    Do not engage the inner conversation, be untangled from the inner conversation. Leave your concerns, opinions and debating for later ... after Zazen (there will be plenty of time for that after.) Sit hearing but not judging, whether words or silence.

    If finding yourself engaged in some conversation, quietly step out of the discussion ... leave the discussion and debate and return to the open space in the room, to equanimity. Return to following the breath or "open awareness" of everything and nothing in particular. When thoughts come again, allow them to do so ... but do not engage. Let the party goers have their silly conversation, but you do not need to be part of it. If becoming engaged in the discussion again, gently and easily return to the breath or open awareness.

    Do this again and again. We say "10,000 times and 10,000 times again."

    Another excellent analogy is that thoughts are like passing cars on a road through your mind, and you just do not get in, do not go along for the ride. Between each car, there is quiet and empty road. You neither demand nor reject empty road. However, it is all the same to you ... cars or silent road ... you just let it all be, don't climb on board, take it all the same.

    Our way is not to stop thoughts completely. However, by sitting such way, one will find that the open, clear, unobstructed feeling between thoughts, and the thoughts themselves, actually are not two, are just the same. A light shines even through our thoughts. Thoughts come, emotions come, problems in life exist ... and yet, while Just Sitting ... we are untangled and clear no matter what comes. The silence of the room and the chatter are each other ... the cars are the open road, the open road is also the speeding cars. In fact, as the mind stops resisting and borders soften, room and space and sound and sitting, road and quiet and cars and you ... lose their separation.

    After Zazen, you can return to the party with all its conversations, or go for a drive ... but maybe now, the open, clear, unobstructed sense will still be in heart even as you hear all the debates and noise of this world, as you see all the busy and honking traffic of life. It is then like being at a noisy party, or on a chaotic highway, while having the silence and openness in heart too.

    There is no need to taste this untangled clarity, the quiet and stillness amid the noise and complexity, in every single moment of every sitting. It is okay if it is just sometimes during sitting. Soon, the equanimity, stillness and ease will find their place within, deep within you, no matter how much the world chatters and rushes past.





    Gassho, J

    stlah


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  • Kaitan
    Member
    • Mar 2023
    • 536

    #2


    SatToday

    Bernal
    Kaitan - 界探 - Realm searcher
    Formerly known as "Bernal"

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    • Houzan
      Member
      • Dec 2022
      • 507

      #3
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      Gassho, Michael
      Sat

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      • Geika
        Treeleaf Unsui
        • Jan 2010
        • 4981

        #4
        Thanks, Jundo

        stlah
        求道芸化 Kyūdō Geika
        I am just a priest-in-training, please do not take anything I say as a teaching.

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        • Kyonin
          Treeleaf Priest / Engineer
          • Oct 2010
          • 6745

          #5
          Beautiful.

          Thank you Jundo.

          Gassho,

          Kyonin
          Sat/LAH
          Hondō Kyōnin
          奔道 協忍

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          • Onki
            Treeleaf Unsui
            • Dec 2020
            • 828

            #6
            Thank you, Jundo [emoji1431]

            Gasshō,

            On

            Sat today
            “Let me respectfully remind you
            Life and death are of supreme importance.
            Time swiftly passes by
            And opportunity ist lost.
            Each of us should strive to awaken.
            Awaken, take heed,
            Do not squander your life.​“ - Life and Death and The Great Matter

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            • Derrell
              Member
              • Jun 2023
              • 19

              #7
              Thank you, jundo
              Gassho
              Derrell

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              • Onkai
                Treeleaf Unsui
                • Aug 2015
                • 3003

                #8
                Thank you, Jundo.

                Gassho, Onkai
                Sat lah
                美道 Bidou Beautiful Way
                恩海 Onkai Merciful/Kind Ocean

                I have a lot to learn; take anything I say that sounds like teaching with a grain of salt.

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                • Seikan
                  Member
                  • Apr 2020
                  • 712

                  #9
                  Thank you Jundo. These are very helpful analogies indeed.



                  Gassho,
                  Seikan

                  -stlah-
                  聖簡 Seikan (Sacred Simplicity)

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                  • Fâtih
                    Member
                    • Feb 2020
                    • 58

                    #10


                    Gassho
                    Fâtih

                    -satilah-

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                    • Dall
                      Member
                      • Oct 2022
                      • 16

                      #11
                      Thank you, Jundo Sensei. Both are excellent analogies.

                      Gassho,
                      Dall
                      STLaH

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                      • DGF
                        Member
                        • Feb 2022
                        • 118

                        #12
                        Thank you jundo,
                        Gassho
                        Diana
                        Sat

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