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  • Jundo
    Treeleaf Founder and Priest
    • Apr 2006
    • 40957

    #31
    Just for reference for those who don't know, a traditional image of Judge Yama in Court ...


    I also came across this today by chance (or by Karma). It is from a scholar's research paper on "Teaching Zen to Americans", looking at the history of doing that the last 50 years. However, she has a pretty good short summary at the beginning which emphasizes the common ground of all Zen groups as she sees them, from "Just Sitting" Soto folks to Koan Introspection folks ... how we all deal with this "nothing in need of fixing, so grab a hammer and get working" Koan of Zen Practice ...

    A perennial issue in the thought and teaching of Zen Buddhism is the tension
    between two basic teachings of the tradition. First, Zen teaches that all beings inherently
    have the nature of buddhas—awakened or enlightened beings. Second, Zen teaches that
    we need to engage in practices such as meditation, listening to the teacher’s talks, and
    following the moral precepts. But if the ultimate aim of Zen is buddhahood and all beings
    inherently have the nature of buddhas, why does one need to engage in the practices of
    Zen, practices that can require a great deal of effort and discipline? Why exert oneself in
    this way if not as a means to attain buddhahood?

    This question plagued the young Dōgen, who would later found the Sōtō school
    of Zen in Japan, and led him on a journey from Japan to China in search of an answer.
    Buddhist scholar Francis Dojun Cook renders Dōgen’s question as “If one is in fact a
    Buddha right now, why practice at all?” ...

    ...

    This issue in Zen teaching—the tension between teaching the importance of
    practice and teaching that beings are inherently buddhas—is sometimes referred to as
    “practice and enlightenment.” This tension could be seen as a sort of doctrinal or
    metaphysical or philosophical issue in Zen teaching: how to philosophically reconcile a
    claim that beings inherently have the nature of buddhas with a claim that practice is
    necessary. But this tension can also be seen as an issue about how Zen students engage in
    Zen practice, or orient themselves toward Zen practice, and this practical and pedagogical
    angle is what especially interest me.

    On the one hand, Zen teachers sometimes stress the importance of engaging in the
    practice of Zen, encouraging an attitude of effort and discipline and, usually, of striving
    to attain a goal—the goal of enlightenment. On the other hand, Zen teachers sometimes
    stress that buddha-nature, or the nature of an enlightened being, is inherent in everyone,
    encouraging an attitude of acceptance and letting be and letting go of a supposed need to
    strive to attain a goal.

    ...

    In one sense, all teachers in the Zen tradition, even those who describe practice as
    “instrumental” for attaining enlightenment, are challenging, to one degree or another, an
    instrumental orientation to life in general and to Buddhist practice in particular—an
    orientation of striving to attain a goal, working to fulfill a desire.

    ...

    We see this teaching, for instance, in the Platform Sutra, on which Hui-neng,
    known as the Sixth Patriarch of Ch’an in China, says to his students, “You have in
    yourselves the attributes of inherent enlightenment.” Similarly, Lin-chi (known in
    Japanese as Rinzai), the ninth-century Chinese founder of the Lin-chi school of Ch’an,
    says, “Followers of the Way, you who are carrying out your activities before my eyes are
    no different from the Buddha and the patriarchs,” and he says that the person listening to
    his talk “has never lacked anything.” Even the great eighteenth-century Japanese Rinzai
    Zen master Hakuin, who relentlessly urges students of Zen to practice in order to awaken,
    says: “It makes no difference whether you call it the Shining Land of Lapis Lazuli in the
    East or the Immaculate Land of Purity in the South; originally, it is all a single ocean of
    perfect, unsurpassed awakening. As such, it is also the intrinsic nature in every human
    being.”

    In the contemporary American context, too, Zen teachers teach their students that
    they inherently have the nature of buddhas. For instance, in Zen Mind, Beginner’s Mind,
    Shunryu Suzuki says, “To be a human being is to be a Buddha. Buddha nature is just
    another name for human nature.”

    Gassho, Jundo

    SatToday
    Last edited by Jundo; 11-08-2015, 01:05 AM.
    ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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    • Jakuden
      Member
      • Jun 2015
      • 6141

      #32
      Originally posted by Jundo
      how we all deal with this "nothing in need of fixing, so grab a hammer and get working" Koan of Zen Practice ...
      It's interesting to see this question put into words as a "tension" between the importance of practice vs. our inherent buddha-nature. I have been close to asking this question before--if we are all buddhas then why must we practice?--but it seems like a sort of fundamental, rhetorical question. The same question that caused the story of Adam and Eve to be written, the question that arose in our brains probably as soon as we became self-aware. We practice to awaken and realize that we are already here/there!

      Gassho,
      Sierra
      SatToday

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      • Jika
        Member
        • Jun 2014
        • 1337

        #33
        Thank you all.

        Thank you, Jundo. For all those explanantions of idioms used; for more than a yer now I thaught " speaking out of twosided mouth" wos a great koan. I would never have darerd to ask!
        A very helpful talk, to beginners of time and language and all...

        Gassho,
        Danny
        #sattoday
        治 Ji
        花 Ka

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        • tlap
          Member
          • Sep 2015
          • 26

          #34
          Thank you all. I will be sitting now.

          Gassho
          Trish


          edited to add
          sat today

          It was good to focus on the words of our chants today. Although we don't use the translation of the Verse of Atonement that speaks of 'ancient and twisted karma,' I often think of that phrase, because it especially reminds me that my karma is very much a part of me, twisted into my very core of being, and it has been with me since all time.
          Last edited by tlap; 11-09-2015, 12:08 AM.

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          • Byokan
            Senior Priest-in-Training
            • Apr 2014
            • 4284

            #35
            Thank you dear Sangha Thank you Jundo for a wonderful talk, very much appreciated.

            Gassho
            Lisa
            sat today
            展道 渺寛 Tendō Byōkan
            Please take my words with a big grain of salt. I know nothing. Wisdom is only found in our whole-hearted practice together.

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            • Banto
              Member
              • Jan 2015
              • 209

              #36
              The verse of atonement and 4 vows have been on my mind throughout the week, this was very timely.
              Thank you all, and special thanks to Shingen for all you do, love the Sino-Japanese Heart Sutra
              Gassho,
              Sat with this Today
              Rodney

              Banto (aka Rodney)
              万磴 (Myriad StoneSteps)

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              • Mp

                #37
                Originally posted by Rodney
                The verse of atonement and 4 vows have been on my mind throughout the week, this was very timely.
                Thank you all, and special thanks to Shingen for all you do, love the Sino-Japanese Heart Sutra
                Gassho,
                Sat with this Today
                Rodney
                You are more than welcome. Happy to have you and everyone here together, practicing and growing. =)

                Gassho
                Shingen

                #sattoday

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                • Kotei
                  Dharma Transmitted Priest
                  • Mar 2015
                  • 4304

                  #38
                  Hi,

                  thank you very much for sitting together.

                  Gassho,
                  Ralf sat_THIS_today
                  義道 冴庭 / Gidō Kotei.

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                  • Sekishi
                    Dharma Transmitted Priest
                    • Apr 2013
                    • 5673

                    #39
                    The podcast (audio only) version of the talk is now up. For folks that regularly tune into the podcast, please let me know what you think of the audio quality of this episode (loudness, "warmth" of the sound, etc.) as compared with other episodes over the past few months. I've made some changes in the production process behind the scenes and hope it works well for everyone.

                    Gassho,
                    Sekishi
                    #sattoday
                    Sekishi | 石志 | He/him | Better with a grain of salt, but best ignored entirely.

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                    • Mp

                      #40
                      Originally posted by Sekishi
                      The podcast (audio only) version of the talk is now up. For folks that regularly tune into the podcast, please let me know what you think of the audio quality of this episode (loudness, "warmth" of the sound, etc.) as compared with other episodes over the past few months. I've made some changes in the production process behind the scenes and hope it works well for everyone.

                      Gassho,
                      Sekishi
                      #sattoday
                      Got it Sekishi and sounds great, thank you! =)

                      Gassho
                      Shingen

                      #sattoday

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                      • Jundo
                        Treeleaf Founder and Priest
                        • Apr 2006
                        • 40957

                        #41
                        Thank you Sekishi. Podcast sounds beautiful if you overlook the gruff voiced guy talking.

                        Gassho, J

                        SatToday
                        ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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                        • Sekishi
                          Dharma Transmitted Priest
                          • Apr 2013
                          • 5673

                          #42
                          Originally posted by Jundo
                          Thank you Sekishi. Podcast sounds beautiful if you overlook the gruff voiced guy talking.
                          If you'd like I could give you an Autotuned Pop Diva makeover (voice only).

                          ^_^

                          Gassho,
                          Sekishi
                          #sattoday
                          Sekishi | 石志 | He/him | Better with a grain of salt, but best ignored entirely.

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                          • Jakugan
                            Member
                            • Jan 2013
                            • 303

                            #43
                            Just sat this now. Thank you.

                            Gassho,

                            Simon

                            Sat Today

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