January 28th-29th Treeleaf Weekly Zazenkai - Metal Heart

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  • Jundo
    Treeleaf Founder and Priest
    • Apr 2006
    • 40288

    January 28th-29th Treeleaf Weekly Zazenkai - Metal Heart


    Our Heart Sutra today will be a bit Hardcore ...



    ... BE CAREFUL WITH SPEAKERS AND HEADPHONES!

    Dear All,

    Please sit our Treeleaf Zazenkai for 90 minutes with Zazen, Heart Sutra and more:

    10am Japan Saturday morning, NY 8pm, LA 5pm Friday night, London 1am and Paris 2am Saturday morning, or any time thereafter here:


    However, "one way" live sitters are encouraged to come into the Zoom sitting, and just leave the camera and microphone turned off: Join live (with or without a camera & microphone) on Zoom at: TREELEAF Now OR at DIRECT ZOOM LINK, password (if needed): dogen

    00:00 – 00:15 CEREMONY (HEART SUTRA in English) and Dedication
    00:15 – 00:45 ZAZEN
    00:45 – 00:55 KINHIN
    00:55 – 01:25 ZAZEN
    01:25 – 01:30 VERSE OF ATONEMENT & FOUR VOWS
    01:30 - 01:45(?) Informal Tea Time (All Welcome)

    ATTENTION: Everyone, when rising for Kinhin or Ceremonies after Zazen, get up slowly, don't rush, hold something stable, you won't be "late," so TAKE YOUR TIME! Make sure you are careful getting up!

    Gassho, Jundo

    SatTodayLah



    PS - There is no "wrong" or "right" in Zazen ... yet here is a little explanation of the "right" times to Bow (A Koan) ...


    Chant Book is here for those who wish to join in: CHANT BOOK LINK

    The other video I mention on Zendo decorum is this one, from our "Always Beginners" video Series:

    Sit-a-Long with Jundo: Zazen for Beginners (12) - Basic Zendo Decorum At Home
    https://www.treeleaf.org/forums/show...093#post189093

    I also recommend a little Talk on why small rituals and procedures are so cherished in the Zendo:

    SIT-A-LONG with Jundo: Small Things in the Zendo

    https://www.treeleaf.org/forums/show...s-in-the-Zendo
    Last edited by Jundo; 01-29-2022, 02:53 AM.
    ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE
  • Jundo
    Treeleaf Founder and Priest
    • Apr 2006
    • 40288

    #2
    Today's Heart Sutra is inspired by a Buddhist Death Metal band, very popular in Taiwan ...


    More about the band, called "Dharma" 達摩 ...



    I thought we might use their version of the Heart Sutra for today's ceremony, but I cannot find that they have published one.

    So, we will substitute this hardcore version in Japanese ... BE CAREFUL with your SPEAKERS & HEADPHONES!

    Frankly, I would have a hard time to tell the difference between "hardcore" and "death metal" (so would really appreciate someone to enlighten me on that)


    The Kanji shown in the last seconds of the video say ... GASSHO! 合掌

    Note to TechnoIno Sekishi ... Chant starts from 20 seconds in.

    Gassho, J

    STLah
    Last edited by Jundo; 01-28-2022, 11:21 AM.
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    • Suuko
      Member
      • May 2017
      • 405

      #3
      Death metal has themes revolving around death and has different growls in the way they sing. The riffs are very speedy as well. I am more of a thrash metal kind of metalhead. I feel relieved that I am not the only Buddhist with a metal edge.

      Gassho,
      Sat,
      Suuko.

      Sent from my M2101K7BNY using Tapatalk
      Has been known as Guish since 2017 on the forum here.

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      • Jundo
        Treeleaf Founder and Priest
        • Apr 2006
        • 40288

        #4
        Originally posted by Suuko
        Death metal has themes revolving around death and has different growls in the way they sing. The riffs are very speedy as well. I am more of a thrash metal kind of metalhead. I feel relieved that I am not the only Buddhist with a metal edge.

        Gassho,
        Sat,
        Suuko.

        Sent from my M2101K7BNY using Tapatalk
        Okay, so what is the difference between thrash metal and hardcore ...

        (I am more a prog-rock kinda guy, frankly )

        Gassho, J

        STLah
        ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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        • Bion
          Treeleaf Unsui
          • Aug 2020
          • 4520

          #5
          Originally posted by Jundo
          Today's Heart Sutra is inspired by a Buddhist Death Metal band, very popular in Taiwan ...


          More about the band, called "Dharma" 達摩 ...



          I thought we might use their version of the Heart Sutra for today's ceremony, but I cannot find that they have published one.

          So, we will substitute this hardcore version in Japanese ... BE CAREFUL with your SPEAKERS & HEADPHONES!

          Frankly, I would have a hard time to tell the difference between "hardcore" and "death metal" (so would really appreciate someone to enlighten me on that)


          Note to TechnoIno Sekishi ... Chant starts from 20 seconds in.

          Gassho, J

          STLah
          Oh my.. that is, uhm… loud.

          [emoji1374] Sat Today
          "Stepping back with open hands, is thoroughly comprehending life and death. Immediately you can sparkle and respond to the world." - Hongzhi

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          • Suuko
            Member
            • May 2017
            • 405

            #6
            Originally posted by Jundo
            Okay, so what is the difference between thrash metal and hardcore ...

            (I am more a prog-rock kinda guy, frankly )

            Gassho, J

            STLah
            Hardcore metal doesn't really exist. Everything falls under the umbrella of Heavy metal. Here is a link with the different genres.



            A good example of thrash metal I listen is here

            Metal was what really made me see things the way they are before Zazen came into the picture.



            Gassho,
            Sat today,
            Suuko.
            Has been known as Guish since 2017 on the forum here.

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            • Suuko
              Member
              • May 2017
              • 405

              #7
              And then, you have metal robots playing heavy metal

              Has been known as Guish since 2017 on the forum here.

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              • Jundo
                Treeleaf Founder and Priest
                • Apr 2006
                • 40288

                #8
                Originally posted by Suuko
                Hardcore metal doesn't really exist. Everything falls under the umbrella of Heavy metal. Here is a link with the different genres.


                Okay, maybe this is me ...

                Progressive Metal
                A mixture of heavy metal and progressive rock, this genre utilizes many of the characteristics of avant-garde and power metal. The song structures are complex, using many time signatures and key changes and are usually long. The lyrics are epic and often progressive metal albums are concept albums, utilizing a central theme that runs throughout.
                Examples: Dream Theater, Evergrey, Fates Warning, Queensryche

                Avant-Garde Metal
                Also called experimental metal, it's characterized by unusual and nontraditional instruments and song structures.
                Examples: Arcturus, Dog Fashion Disco, Mr. Bungle, Peccatum, Vintersorg



                (looking closely, some of those seem a bit violent and I don't care for the political/dark messaging ... so NOT THOSE! )

                I was known to do a stage dive or two at Blackflag and Meat Puppet concerts back in the day ... and I once partied a bit with Henry Rollins ...
                Last edited by Jundo; 01-28-2022, 11:47 AM.
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                • Naiko
                  Member
                  • Aug 2019
                  • 842

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Jundo

                  I was known to do a stage dive or two at Blackflag and Meat Puppet concerts back in the day ... and I once partied a bit with Henry Rollins ...
                  Ok, your cool factor just went way up.

                  This will be fun! I have often thought the only thing lacking/notlacking in Buddhism is good music. I like many genres of music, including metal, though I don’t listen to stuff like Slayer much anymore. I kind of like the dark, angry stuff (RATM, anyone?). But I am way too old for pits and slam dancing now. Apologize for extra wordiness.
                  Gassho,
                  Naiko
                  st

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                  • Nengyoku
                    Member
                    • Jun 2021
                    • 536

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Suuko
                    Hardcore metal doesn't really exist. Everything falls under the umbrella of Heavy metal. Here is a link with the different genres.



                    A good example of thrash metal I listen is here

                    Metal was what really made me see things the way they are before Zazen came into the picture.



                    Gassho,
                    Sat today,
                    Suuko.
                    ^ This. Hardcore is a punk genre rather than a metal genre. Death metal is an evolution of thrash metal that borrowed elements of hardcore and post-hardcore punk and mixed it with thrash metal.
                    Because of this, hardcore music sometimes gets lumped into metal.

                    Also, great songs here

                    Gassho,
                    Nengyoku
                    Sat
                    Thank you for being the warmth in my world.

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                    • Juki
                      Member
                      • Dec 2012
                      • 771

                      #11
                      Metal Heart by Chan Marshall aka Cat Power.Version from Jukebox.


                      For another take on Metal Heart, enjoy the song by Cat Power. Cat Power is the stage name of Chan Marshall. Chan!

                      Gassho,
                      Juki

                      sat today and lah
                      "First you have to give up." Tyler Durden

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                      • Suuko
                        Member
                        • May 2017
                        • 405

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Nengyoku
                        ^ This. Hardcore is a punk genre rather than a metal genre. Death metal is an evolution of thrash metal that borrowed elements of hardcore and post-hardcore punk and mixed it with thrash metal.
                        Because of this, hardcore music sometimes gets lumped into metal.

                        Also, great songs here

                        Gassho,
                        Nengyoku
                        Sat
                        I see. When I googled it, I saw hardcore rap and other things. As a purist, I stopped reading. For me, the rage behind the music has to be intelligent and justified.

                        Oops, are we still at treeleaf? I hope Jundo lets us headbang on Sat.

                        Gassho,
                        Sat,
                        Suuko.

                        Sent from my M2101K7BNY using Tapatalk
                        Has been known as Guish since 2017 on the forum here.

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                        • Jundo
                          Treeleaf Founder and Priest
                          • Apr 2006
                          • 40288

                          #13
                          I do like the revolutionary, proletarian, yet cute, message of Ladybaby ...


                          Gassho, J

                          STLah
                          ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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                          • Sekishi
                            Treeleaf Priest
                            • Apr 2013
                            • 5671

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Nengyoku
                            ^ This. Hardcore is a punk genre rather than a metal genre. Death metal is an evolution of thrash metal that borrowed elements of hardcore and post-hardcore punk and mixed it with thrash metal.
                            Because of this, hardcore music sometimes gets lumped into metal.
                            DC Hardcore straight edge kid checking in. I agree.

                            Today there is a whole umbrella of electronic genres called "hardcore" which sort of evolved from gabber. Once it hits a really high BPM it splits out into "terrorcore", "splittercore" and a bunch of other things.

                            Gassho,
                            Sekishi
                            #sat #lah
                            Sekishi | 石志 | He/him | Better with a grain of salt, but best ignored entirely.

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                            • Sekishi
                              Treeleaf Priest
                              • Apr 2013
                              • 5671

                              #15
                              Youtube and Zoom ready to go. At the last minute... Yikes. XD

                              Gassho,
                              Sekishi
                              #sat #lah
                              Sekishi | 石志 | He/him | Better with a grain of salt, but best ignored entirely.

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