August 23rd-24th Treeleaf Weekly Zazenkai

**Nanrin** · 08-24-2019, 02:37 AM

Sekishi! You are very lucky to get hit by the zen stick!

Joined two-way but audio wasn't working and the app repeatedly froze and restarted so I didn't know what was going on. During kinhin something stung my foot so I bowed out of the video to take care of that. At that point zoom had used up 85% of my phone's battery. After taking care of that, I joined back in via YouTube for the last few minutes of zazen. Although I prefer sitting two-way, I'll probably stick to one-way from here on out

Glad to sit with you all

Nanrin

Sat today

**Jakuden** · 08-24-2019, 02:39 AM

Thank you Jundo, Sekishi and everyone. [emoji120][emoji120][emoji120]

Gassho
Jakuden
SatToday/LAH

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**Jundo** · 08-24-2019, 03:00 AM

Here is the version in China,

https://youtu.be/arqTl3W0vTU

... and in Korea (from about 3:30 mark) ...

https://youtu.be/ZYDOINQDRNg?t=211

... and Deshimaru Roshi, going all out (about 40 seconds in)

kyosaku - Maître Deshimaru

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MY49oHRoYk

Maître Deshimaru explique les raisons qui pourraient pousser le pratiquant de zazen à demander le kyosaku. Merci à Arnaud Desjardins de servir de cobaye... V...

Gassho, J

STLah

**Jundo** · 08-24-2019, 03:03 AM

Originally posted by Science Abbot

Although I could hear Jundo just fine, I did not hear any Japanese birds from the zendo today. I found that a little odd. I kind of miss the birds.

I just read this yesterday in “The Evolution of the Precepts” Study Material for the 2008 National Conference of the Soto Zen Buddhist Association:

"The Ten Recitation Vinaya for example, relates the following story of some monks who were unable to meditate without falling asleep. The Buddha allowed them to wash their heads to prevent drowsiness; when this did not succeed, he gave permission to other monks to pour water on them, or nudge them by hand, or cast balls at them. Eventually the Buddha allowed the use of a 'meditation stick'. This stick is held by one of the monks (exactly which monk is not specified) over his head, with one hand on each end. He strikes any monk who falls asleep and returns to his meditation position only when he is sure no one is asleep. Another item approved by the Buddha is the 'meditation tablet'. A string is run through a hole in the tablet down either side of the head and tied to each ear; a monk falling asleep during meditation will cause the tablet to fall, waking himself up with a start.

"Similar objects and practices appear in the Mahasamghika Vinaya. Here a junior monk specifically is given charge of the meditation stick. Even if his teacher should fall asleep, the monk must wake him, out of respect for the Dharma. First, he shakes the stick in front of the sleeper three times. If this does not rouse him, the sleeper is poked in the knee with the stick. Once a monk is awakened, he must take over the stick duties. During cold weather, the Buddha allowed monks who were shivering and could not properly hold the stick the use of a cloth 'meditation ball' which is cast in front of the sleeper." [Excerpts from Yifa “From the Chinese Vinaya Tradition to Chan Regulations - Continuity and Adaptation” in Going Forth (Bodiford, ed.)]

Thank you for the Zazenkai today. Gratitude to all.

Gassho,
Wuyi
Sat/LAH

Yes, thank you, that is what I remembered and was looking for.

The sleeping device is this; They would put a stick under their chin, and loop a rope from the ceiling under their arms. They used a special wooden support called a "Zenpan" to hold the chin up.

"Zenpan" description here:

The Illustrated Encyclopedia of Zen Buddhism

http://books.google.com/books?id=smNM4ElP3XgC&pg=PA389&lpg=PA389&dq=%22chin+rest%22+zazen&source=bl&ots=ZLtt1aC0fq&sig=iQHgegc98emRx0klcgoLti7d5sc&hl=en&ei=juIyTojFLPHnmAX3gpTxCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CDEQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=%22chin%20rest%22%20zazen&f=false

Over 1,700 in-depth entries from A to Z, containing information on the beliefs, practices, and history of Zen Buddhism as well as its most significant movements, organizations, and personalities. Complete with black-and-white photos throughout that illustrate the many aspects of Zen Buddhist culture and religion, including temples, relics, artifacts, and the ceremonial objects used by practitioners. Thoroughly cross-referenced entries guide the reader to related terms and concepts. 8 1?2" x 11" Library-bound 500 pages Copyright 2002 Zen Buddhism is one of the most important and influential world religions. Its unique forms of artistic, philosophical, and spiritual practices, including meditation, haiku, and calligraphy, have spread throughout the world. Written in a clear and accessible style, The Illustrated Encyclopedia of Zen Buddhism introduces readers to this vital and influential tradition. Helen J. Baroni, Ph.D., is an associate professor in the department of religion at the University of Hawaii at Manoa. She received a bachelor of arts from Grinnell College in 1981, a master's degree in divinity from the Princeton Theological Seminary in 1984, and both a master's degree (1990) and a doctorate degree (1993) in philosophy from Columbia University. From 1990 to 1991, Dr. Baroni was a visiting research fellow at the International Research Institute for Zen Buddhism of Hanazozo College in Kyoto, Japan. She was awarded a Japan Foundation Dissertation Fellowship in 1990, a Weatherhead Fellowship in 1992, and a grant from the Harvard Pluralism Project in 1998. Dr. Baroni has published a number of journal articles on Japanese religions. She is also the author of Obaku Zen: The Emergence of the Third Sect of Zen in Tokugawa, Japan, published by the University of Hawaii Press (2000).

Here is one:

The birds are on summer vacation. Cicadas are coming however.

Gassho, Jundo

STLah

Mp · 08-24-2019, 03:26 AM

Thank you Jundo, Sekishi, and everyone ... back from work, will sit with you all over the weekend. =)

Gassho
Shingen

Sat/LAH

**Onka** · 08-24-2019, 03:27 AM

I have uncontrolled asthma at the moment and a lung infection. Not exactly awesome not being able to breathe easily but also not a big deal, it just means high doses of steroids and antibiotics which mean a tummy that is dodgy and feeling extra tired. My intention was to sit live with you all this morning but apologies I will be sitting with you a bit at a time.
Metta to all who have their own battles at the moment. Be kind to yourself and look out for each other.
Gassho
Anna

Sat today/lent a hand

**Science Abbot** · 08-24-2019, 03:46 AM

Originally posted by Jundo

Yes, thank you, that is what I remembered and was looking for.

The sleeping device is this; hey would put a stick under their chin, and loop a rope from the ceiling under their arms. They used a special wooden support called a "Zenpan" to hold the chin up.

"Zenpan" description here:

The Illustrated Encyclopedia of Zen Buddhism

http://books.google.com/books?id=smNM4ElP3XgC&pg=PA389&lpg=PA389&dq=%22chin+rest%22+zazen&source=bl&ots=ZLtt1aC0fq&sig=iQHgegc98emRx0klcgoLti7d5sc&hl=en&ei=juIyTojFLPHnmAX3gpTxCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CDEQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=%22chin%20rest%22%20zazen&f=false

Over 1,700 in-depth entries from A to Z, containing information on the beliefs, practices, and history of Zen Buddhism as well as its most significant movements, organizations, and personalities. Complete with black-and-white photos throughout that illustrate the many aspects of Zen Buddhist culture and religion, including temples, relics, artifacts, and the ceremonial objects used by practitioners. Thoroughly cross-referenced entries guide the reader to related terms and concepts. 8 1?2" x 11" Library-bound 500 pages Copyright 2002 Zen Buddhism is one of the most important and influential world religions. Its unique forms of artistic, philosophical, and spiritual practices, including meditation, haiku, and calligraphy, have spread throughout the world. Written in a clear and accessible style, The Illustrated Encyclopedia of Zen Buddhism introduces readers to this vital and influential tradition. Helen J. Baroni, Ph.D., is an associate professor in the department of religion at the University of Hawaii at Manoa. She received a bachelor of arts from Grinnell College in 1981, a master's degree in divinity from the Princeton Theological Seminary in 1984, and both a master's degree (1990) and a doctorate degree (1993) in philosophy from Columbia University. From 1990 to 1991, Dr. Baroni was a visiting research fellow at the International Research Institute for Zen Buddhism of Hanazozo College in Kyoto, Japan. She was awarded a Japan Foundation Dissertation Fellowship in 1990, a Weatherhead Fellowship in 1992, and a grant from the Harvard Pluralism Project in 1998. Dr. Baroni has published a number of journal articles on Japanese religions. She is also the author of Obaku Zen: The Emergence of the Third Sect of Zen in Tokugawa, Japan, published by the University of Hawaii Press (2000).

Here is one:

The birds are on summer vacation. Cicadas are coming however.

Gassho, Jundo

STLah

Thank you, Jundo. I hope the birds enjoy their vacation. Looking forward to the cicadas.

Gassho,
Wuyi
Sat/LAH

**Kakunen** · 08-24-2019, 09:20 AM

Thank you all,Sekishi Jundo.

Very hard trip to go TR,I leave at 5AM and come back 6PM.

Partner and son need my love?

Anyway I need to go rice field to live.

And I need to change dharma clothes at my car.

But my partner is beautiful I feel.

My ego will not finish.

Jundo sing this song today?

https://youtu.be/P5mtclwloEQ

Gassho
Lah
Sat today
Kakunen

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**Tairin** · 08-24-2019, 12:05 PM

Got an early start today so that I am free to LAH later this morning

Thank you all. The audio was much better today Jundo. So good in fact that the bell at the end of the second Zazen was startling.

Tairin
Sat today and will be LAHing as soon as I finish breakfast

**newby_x86** · 08-24-2019, 05:11 PM

Thanks for coming together guys.

Originally posted by Anna

I have uncontrolled asthma at the moment and a lung infection. Not exactly awesome not being able to breathe easily but also not a big deal, it just means high doses of steroids and antibiotics which mean a tummy that is dodgy and feeling extra tired. My intention was to sit live with you all this morning but apologies I will be sitting with you a bit at a time.
Metta to all who have their own battles at the moment. Be kind to yourself and look out for each other.
Gassho
Anna

Sat today/lent a hand

Hope you feel better soon, Anna.

Gasho
Anant
SaT

**Shonin Risa Bear** · 08-24-2019, 07:10 PM

Thank you, Jundo, Sekishi and everyone. Sat this today in the cool of the morning. Our birds are quieter now, too, except for the scrub jays. _()_

The audio seemed somewhat faint to me (I'm very deaf) but I did all right with an earbud. _()_

Metta to you Anna

gassho
doyu sat/lah today

**Onka** · 08-24-2019, 07:53 PM

Thank you Anant
Gassho
Anna
ST

**Washin** · 08-25-2019, 05:27 AM

Thank you all for sitting together.
Thank you for the talk Jundo. The audio was fine this time.

Gassho
Washin
ST

**Seishin** · 08-25-2019, 06:16 AM

Thank you all.

**Kevin M** · 08-25-2019, 02:13 PM

Thank you all.

PS So very glad my wife does not have one of those sticks with instructions to wake me up with it lol

Gassho,
Kevin
ST

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