The Logic of the Buddhist Tetralemma

[Jakuden]

Beautiful! Thank you Jundo.

Gassho,
Jakuden
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[Jishin]

Very nice explanation Jundo. Thank you.

Gasho, Jishin, _/st\_

[Jakuden]

Here is a lesson. 11 "I" counted on post 26. 11 opportunities for trouble.

Gasho, Jishin, _/st\_

"I" don't think using "I" is a sin. Language and labels are useful and even necessary devices, if one is aware of their limitations. When the use of "I" in a post is associated with expressions of suffering and preoccupation with the ego, though, then it might be a little flag that might provide clues about the source of suffering. Which probably was your point.
Gassho
Jakuden
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[Jishin]

"I" don't think using "I" is a sin. Language and labels are useful and even necessary devices, if one is aware of their limitations. When the use of "I" in a post is associated with expressions of suffering and preoccupation with the ego, though, then it might be a little flag that might provide clues about the source of suffering. Which probably was your point.
Gassho
Jakuden
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I was born in Utah, Salt Lake City but moved to Brazil when I was 4. I stayed there until I was 14. I completely lost the English language and when I came back to the US, I had to start from scratch. Kids would make fun of me when I would try to speak English. I tried my best to get English just right, but tried too hard. When beginning a sentence with "I", I would get stuck on "I" wanting the rest to come out just right. Thus, it would come out "I, I, I, I..." and my name become "I, I, I". Hey "I, I, I", how is it going today? So I am very good with I's, had lots of practice, dating back to my teens. Maybe even before since my mother told me that one of the first sentences I spoke was "I WANT!"

Gassho, Jishin, ST

PS: See how many "I"s I used in this post? I am the king of "I".

[Tanjin]

Thank you Jundo for this teaching!

Deep bows,
Tanjin
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[Diarmuid1]

Well, then the baby is born, the cord is cut, the prefrontal cortex and parietal lobe take over and suddenly the child comes to judge that there are "two separate people" in a world of separate people and things.

A fantastically helpful teaching. I am going to think of myself as part of a cosmological patio set, if you don't mind.

One thing to further support your teaching is that there is no "sudden" judgement that there are two separate people. In fact, the baby is born, as far as science....sorry "SCIENCE"....tells us, believing that it is the universe and the universe is it. The establishment of a sense of self is gradual and it is not before the child is close to two years old that a clear sense of self emerges and it won't be until they're close to about 6 or 7 that the concept becomes fully baked (although maybe a little gooey in the centre...mmm....coooooooookiessssss).

All hail sci...Science!

[Hoko]

Awesome, Jundo!

Deep bows & gratitude.
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This reminds me of a quote from Joseph Campbell that I came across in the book we're reading by Loy:

"If you will think of ourselves as coming out of the earth, rather than having been thrown in here from somewhere else, you see that we are the earth, we are the consciousness of the earth. These are the eyes of the earth. And this is the voice of the earth. "
-Joseph Campbell The Power of Myth

Only perhaps for the sake of this discussion he's thinking too small and we could replace "Earth" with "everything" or "the universe" or "reality" or some term that is more all-encompassing.

Gassho,
Hōkō
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[Getchi]

Awesome, Jundo!

Deep bows & gratitude.
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This reminds me of a quote from Joseph Campbell that I came across in the book we're reading by Loy:

"If you will think of ourselves as coming out of the earth, rather than having been thrown in here from somewhere else, you see that we are the earth, we are the consciousness of the earth. These are the eyes of the earth. And this is the voice of the earth. "
-Joseph Campbell The Power of Myth

Only perhaps for the sake of this discussion he's thinking too small and we could replace "Earth" with "everything" or "the universe" or "reality" or some term that is more all-encompassing.

Gassho,
Hōkō
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Really love that imagery Hoko; eyes and brains of Earth.


I heard once "There is Here, and there is There; but is there Between?". Seemed relevant.



Gassho,
Geoff.


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[Zenmei]

Awesome, Jundo!

Deep bows & gratitude.
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This reminds me of a quote from Joseph Campbell that I came across in the book we're reading by Loy:

"If you will think of ourselves as coming out of the earth, rather than having been thrown in here from somewhere else, you see that we are the earth, we are the consciousness of the earth. These are the eyes of the earth. And this is the voice of the earth. "
-Joseph Campbell The Power of Myth

Only perhaps for the sake of this discussion he's thinking too small and we could replace "Earth" with "everything" or "the universe" or "reality" or some term that is more all-encompassing.

Gassho,
Hōkō
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As Bodhisattva Jerry Garcia sang:

Wake up to find out that you are the eyes of the world
Wake now discover that you are the song that the morning brings

Gassho, zenmei
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