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  • Jundo
    Treeleaf Founder and Priest
    • Apr 2006
    • 40351

    Treeleaf, Zazen + the Hololens

    Hey Guys,

    I would like to introduce a vision (literally) for Treeleaf Sangha. This is where our future is found. Time to start designing!

    (They just need to make the lenses a bit less intrusive ... and I understand that is coming too) ...

    I quote from an old essay ...

    With Gassho before a body scanner, sitters will enter the 3-D Holographic Zen Hall from wherever they are. Instantly, a high roofed room, Manjusri Bodhisattva at its center, fills the senses and the 10 directions encircling them. Lifelike images of a hundred others who have sat that day (some hours earlier in distant time zones) occupy projected Zafus all around, and the scent of incense perfumes the air. A young priest walks through the room straightening slippers (all made of photons), guiding newcomers to their places. Biosensors in the sitter’s clothing adjust posture with a touch lightly felt at the small of the back. A teacher in far Japan, as if a few feet away, offers a talk and responds immediately to questions. Rising from Zazen, all recite as one the Bodhisattva Vows, prostrating toward Manjusri now seen hovering midair as vast as a mountain. The identical scene appears in Holospaces in every sitter’s home or private place, including for one fellow sitting zero gravity on the long voyage to Mars.

    Though sounding like Isaac Asimov meets the Lotus Sutra, researchers at the holographics lab of one of Japan’s best science universities tell me it is just a matter of time now. The ‘HoloZendo’ is not a figment of the imagination, and may be available to carry in one’s pocket.

    http://www.treeleaf.org/forums/showt...sangha-is-real
    For those who don't catch the difference from "3D virtual reality", this system allows a blending of the actual space where we find ourselves with 3D enhancements.


    I feel that this is where we should devote our energies, design skills and resources here ... at Treeleaf HoloZendo.

    Gassho, J
    Last edited by Jundo; 10-07-2015, 08:17 AM.
    ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE
  • Roland
    Member
    • Mar 2014
    • 232

    #2
    Does one need to be a high-end developer & designer to join in?

    Gassho
    #SatToday

    Roland

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    • Jundo
      Treeleaf Founder and Priest
      • Apr 2006
      • 40351

      #3
      Originally posted by Roland
      Does one need to be a high-end developer & designer to join in?

      Gassho
      #SatToday

      Roland
      Hi Roland,

      There is no plan at all ... besides my saying "This is the future of Treeleaf Zazen".

      And since you are the first person to respond, you are in charge of the project for now and making the plan. Congratulations!

      Gassho, Jundo

      SatToday
      ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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      • Roland
        Member
        • Mar 2014
        • 232

        #4
        Treeleaf, Zazen + the Hololens

        OMG. We have some years to make this happen, but it's the designing and building which will be great fun. So, fellow builders, present yourself en masse!

        Gassho
        Roland
        #SatToday

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        • Kotei
          Treeleaf Priest
          • Mar 2015
          • 4166

          #5
          hmm, interesting approach this augmented reality stuff.
          But... I don't think that this will bring us any further in meeting with each other.
          We're each in a different shaped room, so if we'd meet, Jundo would maybe sit in my oven and I would step out of his wall. ;-)
          The reality room dimensions wouldn't fit with each other's. Is there a solution for this, other than to-be-found hypercomplex re-aligning 3d algorithms for all users?

          I am still on the "take a multiplayer, online, 3d game engine for multiple platforms, create a virtual zendo, make your own (different) 3d-avatars (scanned)." side.
          With 3d-glasses, live audio, rudimental gamepad movement-control, this could be a possible next step. Maybe even with some colored labels on the human-body for motion detection or cheap Kinect hardware for gesture detection.

          Just my 2c.

          Gassho,
          Ralf sattoday.
          Last edited by Kotei; 10-07-2015, 08:36 AM.
          義道 冴庭 / Gidō Kotei.

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          • Jinyo
            Member
            • Jan 2012
            • 1957

            #6
            Makes the Lotus Sutra a whole lot more plausible

            Gassho

            Willow

            sat today

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            • Shinzan
              Member
              • Nov 2013
              • 338

              #7
              Crazy wild. Lotus Sutra emerald temples and million billion boddhisattvas, here we come.
              _/st\_ Shinzan

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              • Ishin
                Member
                • Jul 2013
                • 1359

                #8
                matrix1.jpg

                Gassho
                Ishin
                Sat Today
                Grateful for your practice

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                • Sekishi
                  Treeleaf Priest
                  • Apr 2013
                  • 5675

                  #9
                  Soon we'll be able to sit Zazen IN the Zendo I built on our Minecraft server a few years ago!




                  Incidentally, this was something I built before coming to Treeleaf, but I note that there are 10 zafus (teacher, ino, and 4 along each side wall). Not unlike what we do now!

                  Gassho,
                  Sekishi
                  #sattoday
                  #didnotplaywithblockstoday
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                  Sekishi | 石志 | He/him | Better with a grain of salt, but best ignored entirely.

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                  • RichardH
                    Member
                    • Nov 2011
                    • 2800

                    #10
                    I'm holding out for something that does not require wearing goggles. Looking at two little screens up close can be a bit woozy when you move around. In the meantime Live Feed meet-ups are improving all the time, and everyone will start doing it when it reaches a certain threshold of reliability....im guessing.

                    Beautiful Zendo Sekishi.

                    Gassho
                    Daizan

                    sat today

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                    • Jundo
                      Treeleaf Founder and Priest
                      • Apr 2006
                      • 40351

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Daizan
                      I'm holding out for something that does not require wearing goggles. Looking at two little screens up close can be a bit woozy when you move around. In the meantime Live Feed meet-ups are improving all the time, and everyone will start doing it when it reaches a certain threshold of reliability....im guessing.

                      Beautiful Zendo Sekishi.

                      Gassho
                      Daizan

                      sat today
                      My understanding is that the headset will be reduced to an ordinary pair of eye glasses in the near future, and possibly even contacts somewhere down the road.

                      Gassho, J

                      SatToday
                      Last edited by Jundo; 10-07-2015, 06:56 PM.
                      ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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                      • Mp

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Jundo
                        My understand is that the headset will be reduced to an ordinary pair of eye glasses in the near future, and possibly even contacts somewhere down the road.

                        Gassho, J

                        SatToday
                        So true ... a BC doctor has created a bionic lens for better vision, so might be something like that. =)

                        Imagine being able to see three times better than 20/20 vision without wearing glasses or contacts — even at age 100 or more — with the help of bionic lenses implanted in your eyes.


                        Gassho
                        Shingen

                        #sattoday

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                        • Sekishi
                          Treeleaf Priest
                          • Apr 2013
                          • 5675

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Jundo
                          My understanding is that the headset will be reduced to an ordinary pair of eye glasses in the near future, and possibly even contacts somewhere down the road.
                          I think the definition of "near" in the term "near future" is the part that is open for debate. For widespread CONSUMER adoption of such a technology, frame rates will need to be very high and latency very low. Right now that still takes a large amount of computing power to accomplish (with latency still being too high for a good user experience). Fitting the sensors, computing power, and batteries into eyeglasses is a tall order. Although we can of course move some of that computing power into a tethered processor (e.g. your phone does the networking and calculations and communicates with the glasses wirelessly), that increases the latency again. Add in network bandwidth and ping-time constraints found in much of the world, and suddenly the devil comes OUT of the details and makes the whole experience sub-par, for at least a decade to come. IMHO.

                          I want to see this tech everywhere, by next week, but I am not holding my breath. It will be an interesting time to be alive. Ubiquitous facial recognition and augmented reality apps will make for a really weird world to live in.

                          But thats just like, my opinion man.

                          Gassho,
                          Sekishi
                          #sattoday
                          Sekishi | 石志 | He/him | Better with a grain of salt, but best ignored entirely.

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                          • Risho
                            Member
                            • May 2010
                            • 3179

                            #14
                            Instead of Gassho, can we make sure to say "Computer Arch"? hahah

                            Gassho,

                            Risho
                            -sattoday
                            Email: risho.treeleaf@gmail.com

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                            • Roland
                              Member
                              • Mar 2014
                              • 232

                              #15
                              Treeleaf, Zazen + the Hololens

                              Maybe we could start with some shared collection of relevant articles on these technologies (HoloLens, Oculus Rift, Cardboard etc). We could do that in Diigo or in some other repository. Then we could try to determine key functionalities for a 'virtual Sangha' and check which technology is most appropriate.

                              Gassho
                              Roland
                              #SatToday

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