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  • dharmasponge
    Member
    • Oct 2013
    • 278

    Where did it all go...?

    Hi,

    Was on a bike ride yesterday. Dog ran in front of me and off I came. I was knocked clean out. Concussion, scars and a few broken ribs later I've been laying here asking myself; if mind is separate from the organ of the brain where did both mind and consciousness go when i was out of it?

    Didn't sit today ( but crawled out of bed lit incense and did Refuge Prayers )
    Sat today
  • Kokuu
    Treeleaf Priest
    • Nov 2012
    • 6791

    #2
    Hi Tony

    Glad to hear you are okay.

    No idea about where wakeful consciousness comes from and goes to.
    Seems to happen every night when I fall asleep, though.

    Rest up and feel better.

    Gassho
    Kokuu
    #sattoday

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    • Jishin
      Member
      • Oct 2012
      • 4820

      #3
      Hi,

      I would ask a 4 or 5 year old.

      Gassho, Jishin, _/st\_

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      • Jundo
        Treeleaf Founder and Priest
        • Apr 2006
        • 39472

        #4
        Maybe you should ask the dog.

        We will sit for your fast recovery.

        By the way, when sick one may "sit" Zazen without sitting. When sick and physically limited, the Buddha reclined ...



        When crawling just crawl, when moaning just moan. I like to say stuff like ...

        We sit with what is ... -AS- what is, having become what is ... which means, when sick, sometimes reclining or the like. When aching, nose blowing, sneezing, coughing ... just ache, nose blow, sneeze and cough, for each is perfectly Zazen when understood as such. Each sneeze is a perfect "ah choo!". Every moan is a kind of sacred chant. The whole universe is wondrously blowing its little nose when appreciated as such!
        What does the dog say? Where did he go when you were out?

        Gassho, J
        ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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        • Jishin
          Member
          • Oct 2012
          • 4820

          #5
          The last person I would ask is a zen master. They like to give answers that are absolutely worthless.

          Gassho, Jishin, _/st\_.

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          • Anshu Bryson
            Member
            • Aug 2014
            • 566

            #6
            Even if mind is 'separate' from the brain (which I doubt is the case in any real sense of the word; and with the 5 aggregates being 'empty of independent existence', after all...?), it is likely still at least 'dependent' on the brain, no...?

            Gassho,
            Anshu

            PS much metta to you; do get well soon!

            (sat today)
            Last edited by Anshu Bryson; 04-20-2015, 03:24 PM.

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            • Jundo
              Treeleaf Founder and Priest
              • Apr 2006
              • 39472

              #7
              Originally posted by Anshu Bryson
              Even if mind is 'separate' from the brain (which I doubt is the case in any real sense of the word; and with the 5 aggregates being 'empty of independent existence', after all...?), it is likely still at least 'dependent' on the brain, no...?
              Perhaps like the dog is separate from his bark?

              Gassho, J

              SatToday
              ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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              • RichardH
                Member
                • Nov 2011
                • 2800

                #8
                Wishing you a speedy recovery, Tony.

                Gassho
                Daizan

                sat today

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                • Anshu Bryson
                  Member
                  • Aug 2014
                  • 566

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Jundo
                  Perhaps like the dog is separate from his bark?

                  Gassho, J

                  SatToday
                  With the bark being dependent on the dog; surely! ;-)

                  Gassho,
                  Anshu

                  (sat today)
                  Last edited by Anshu Bryson; 04-20-2015, 12:09 PM.

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                  • Jishin
                    Member
                    • Oct 2012
                    • 4820

                    #10
                    Maybe there is no tail to wag bark.

                    Gassho, Jishin, _/st\_

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                    • RichardH
                      Member
                      • Nov 2011
                      • 2800

                      #11
                      There are the extremes of reducing mind to matter (materialism) and reducing matter to mind (idealism). Mind and brain co-arise. No need to collapse one into the other or raise either to first principle. just sayin... gonna go scramble an egg.

                      Gassho

                      Daizan

                      sat today

                      btw. Materialism corresponds to "nihilism" and idealism with "eternalism", the traditional extremes warned of. What does that leave?

                      but then please take this with a grain of salt.
                      Last edited by RichardH; 04-20-2015, 12:17 PM.

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                      • Myosha
                        Member
                        • Mar 2013
                        • 2974

                        #12
                        Metta to all.


                        Gassho
                        Myosha sat today
                        "Recognize suffering, remove suffering." - Shakyamuni Buddha when asked, "Uhm . . .what?"

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                        • Anshu Bryson
                          Member
                          • Aug 2014
                          • 566

                          #13
                          "Woof" to all...

                          Gassho,
                          Rover

                          "sat, rolled over and played dead today..."
                          ;-)

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                          • Jinyo
                            Member
                            • Jan 2012
                            • 1957

                            #14
                            Feel better soon Tony.

                            I guess mind/consciousness is an extension of the brain (do mind and brain necessarily co-arise - I'm not sure about that?) I doubt we can have a mind/consciousness without a brain but to
                            be in a vegetative state is to have a brain - without consciousness.

                            Even so - there is that sense that the mind is somehow 'out there' - defeating our ordinary notions of space/location/topology.


                            Anyway - I hope you were wearing a safety helmet - have just bought one each for the grandkids



                            Gassho



                            Willow



                            sat today

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                            • Yugen

                              #15
                              Tony,
                              Please rest up and wishing you a speedy recovery. We are here if you need anything.

                              Deep bows
                              Yugen


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