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  • dharmasponge
    Member
    • Oct 2013
    • 278

    Hard and Soft traditions

    I was thinking last night (sorry can’t help it J ) one of the things that draws me to Zen is that it seems more maverick than other traditions, masculine almost (no offence meant of course) – does that make sense, is it a fair point?I was thinking last night (sorry can’t help it J ) one of the things that draws me to Zen is that it seems more maverick than other traditions, masculine almost (no offence meant of course)!!

    The Theravadin tradition on the other hand seems rounder and softer (Though I know some of Ajahn Chah’s students might disagree!)

    What do you think?

    Tony...

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  • Jishin
    Member
    • Oct 2012
    • 4819

    #2
    Originally posted by dharmasponge

    What do you think?
    It's hard to say.

    Gassho, Jishin, #SatToday

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    • Kokuu
      Treeleaf Priest
      • Nov 2012
      • 6735

      #3
      I think that the variation within traditions is probably greater than the variation between them. Even teachers in the same traditions, and even same lineage, differ massively (Jundo and Taigu, for instance).

      Regardless of the tradition (and I have been in a few!), in the end it pretty much all comes down to sitting on a cushion and being kind.

      There should probably also be tea involved.

      And fancy hats.

      Gassho
      Kokuu
      #sattoday

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      • Myosha
        Member
        • Mar 2013
        • 2974

        #4
        Hello,

        Distinction is good fun. Enjoy.

        THEN sit.


        Gassho,
        Myosha sat today
        "Recognize suffering, remove suffering." - Shakyamuni Buddha when asked, "Uhm . . .what?"

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        • Byokan
          Treeleaf Unsui
          • Apr 2014
          • 4269

          #5
          Originally posted by Kokuu

          Regardless of the tradition (and I have been in a few!), in the end it pretty much all comes down to sitting on a cushion and being kind.

          There should probably also be tea involved.

          And fancy hats.

          Gassho
          Kokuu
          #sattoday




          Gassho
          Lisa
          sat today
          展道 渺寛 Tendō Byōkan
          Please take my words with a big grain of salt. I know nothing. Wisdom is only found in our whole-hearted practice together.

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          • Mp

            #6
            Originally posted by Kokuu
            Regardless of the tradition in the end it pretty much all comes down to sitting on a cushion and being kind.
            Yes! =)

            Gassho
            Shingen

            SatToday

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            • dharmasponge
              Member
              • Oct 2013
              • 278

              #7
              ...and cake?
              Sat today

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              • Nindo

                #8
                I've seen some pretty macho Theravadins. And some very gentle feminine Zen priests.
                Drop all distinctions and comparisons. What is THIS right in front of you?

                Gassho
                Nindo
                sattoday

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                • Stacy
                  Member
                  • Mar 2013
                  • 81

                  #9
                  Originally posted by dharmasponge
                  What do you think?
                  Hey Tony,

                  I don't know.

                  But that's OK, I don't really care. It is what it is. What people perceive may vary, and people involved vary just as much, but it is what it is.

                  Tea and cake sounds pretty good though.


                  Gassho,
                  Stacy

                  #SatToday

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                  • Rich
                    Member
                    • Apr 2009
                    • 2587

                    #10
                    In general traditions have been male dominated. Nice to see women taking leadership roles and bringing more balance to traditions. Western Zen is trending this IMHO.

                    Sat today
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                    Rich
                    MUHYO
                    無 (MU, Emptiness) and 氷 (HYO, Ice) ... Emptiness Ice ...

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                    • dharmasponge
                      Member
                      • Oct 2013
                      • 278

                      #11
                      OBC is a good example
                      Sat today

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                      • Kyonin
                        Treeleaf Priest / Engineer
                        • Oct 2010
                        • 6739

                        #12
                        Hi.

                        Nice questions. Now go sit.

                        Gassho,

                        Kyonin
                        #SatToday
                        Hondō Kyōnin
                        奔道 協忍

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                        • dharmasponge
                          Member
                          • Oct 2013
                          • 278

                          #13
                          Nice reply....and you?
                          Sat today

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                          • Nameless
                            Member
                            • Apr 2013
                            • 461

                            #14
                            Sometimes it seems that there are as many different "schools" of Zen as there are Zen practitioners. In my case, practice has helped me grow softer. Smooths out my sharp edges. Still a trouble maker and can be quite passionate, but there's room in Zen for that too. Oh, and to touch on a bit of psychology, gender is a cultural construction. Sex refers to ones anatomy. Gender is usually defined by characteristics like hard/soft, analytic/emotional etc. For me Zen, it being the Middle Way, shoots an arrow right down the middle of those pairs.

                            Gassho, John
                            Sat & Shoveled Today

                            Gassho, John
                            Sat Today

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                            • Stacy
                              Member
                              • Mar 2013
                              • 81

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Kyonin
                              Hi.

                              Nice questions. Now go sit.

                              Gassho,

                              Kyonin
                              #SatToday


                              Gassho,
                              Stacy

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