Taigu's Dharma transmission

[Ed]

Good, may you two realize the "Ground of Being before mind splits the world," and may you abide there.
Gassho,
Seido sat today.

[shikantazen]

Congrats both

Gassho,
Sam

[Jika]

Congratulations to all involved.

Gassho,
Danny
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[Jakugan]

Well done.

sat today.

gassho,

simon

[Kyotai]

Congrats to both

Gassho, Shawn
Sat today

[Meishin]

Congratulations, though I hardly understand this. What changed?

gassho
john
sat today

[Kyonin]

Wow! That's awesome news!

Thanks!

I shall write them to congratulate them

Gassho,

Kyonin
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[Jundo]

Hi,

A few folks have written to ask me why there was no prior announcement of this happy event. I will answer honestly.

Our friends over at the Blue Mountain seem very private and, perhaps, are not the best communicators without their even realizing so. I have mentioned it to them a few times these past months, but Taigu seems to emphasize a small, very private flavor for their group, and perhaps others have similar reasons to follow suit. I know it is unintentional, because they sure know that they have so many long time members here who are old friends.

A little news and greetings now and then is always most welcome by all of us, and keeps family close. Maybe the coming New Year is a time for us all (me too!) to do better at keeping in touch? Let's all give a shout out, and say how much we want to hear what's up with our Blue Mountain Bros. Let's stick together! So many folks here (me too!) would be sad if we lost touched unwittingly.

So many of our members, our Priests and I celebrate with Myozan and Dainin (a fellow from France who was not a member here) and send all good wishes.

Gassho, J

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[Jinyo]

That is good news.

Gassho, J

I took a lesson in equanimity from your initial reply Jundo.

Unintentional or not I felt it must have been hurtful if Nindo's post was the first you knew
about Myozan's ordination?

I had a look at the facebook page and it seems quite active so perhaps this is the best way to keep in touch and offer congratulations to Myozan and Dainin.

Thank you for your recent post which again showed warmth and equanimity in explaining the situation.

Gassho

Willow

Sat Today

[RichardH]

I received a pm out of the blue from Taigu saying that I have apparently chosen to stay at Treeleaf and should not try to interact with him in any way. I had not tried to interact and will not in the future as he requests. I have never shared the content of a PM on the forum but am sharing this.

Gassho
Daizan

sat today

[Myosha]

Metta to all.


Gassho,
Myosha sat today

[Byokan]

Hi All,

I feel like we’re always tiptoeing so carefully around this subject. If people have sadness or anger or questions, can we just bring it out into the open and talk together about it? I have several thoughts, I will ramble on a little:

I have been sad that there has not been more communication and more updates here from the Blue Mountain. But I figured that they are very busy getting the website up and organizing sittings and figuring out how they want to do things. With no forum there, it is harder to see what’s going on, and the Facebook/G+ pages were not updated for a long while, but lately there is more content there. Everyone here is free to join in the sittings over there and leave comments, and a few people have done.

Jundo, with all respect, I think that saying “they are not the best communicators,” is a kind of comment on folks personally, that is counter-productive. If someone said to me, “hey, you’re not the best communicator,” I would probably not feel inclined to communicate more, but might feel defensive. Saying that they have not communicated as much as we wish they would, might be more accurate? I agree, we should all work harder in the New Year to stay in touch. I’m assuming that they want to be in touch with us...?

I miss Taigu’s influence here. I don’t know really if the split was completely friendly or not, and I guess it is bad manners to ask. But I appreciate that both Taigu and Jundo have been very kind in their speech about each other and the whole transition. I hope that when they are fully up and running, Taigu will post teachings here and still be involved here as much as his time allows.

I think many of us still consider Taigu to be a teacher here, although his role has changed to more of a (special, favored) guest teacher. He is still listed on our Treeleaf Teachers and Novice Priests page. I can’t find the sticky thread that we had set up for Taigu updates anymore? But I think I remember him mentioning the Dharma transmission. I don’t know if Jundo knew about it, but I would be surprised if he didn’t.

I see no mention of Treeleaf or Jundo on the Blue Mountain website, and no link. I don’t know if this is because of a wish for separation, or because the website is still under construction.

I’ve contacted Taigu a few times since the split, and he has always answered promptly and warmly and been generous as always with his guidance. I still consider him my teacher along with Jundo.

I don’t know what Daizan’s PM means. I would need more context to judge, and I feel that something is being implied by posting it, but I’m not sure what it is, exactly.

Can we speak openly about the split? Does anyone else have questions or feelings to share?

Gassho
Lisa
sat today

[RichardH]

Hi All,

I feel like we’re always tiptoeing so carefully around this subject. If people have sadness or anger or questions, can we just bring it out into the open and talk together about it? I have several thoughts, I will ramble on a little:

I have been sad that there has not been more communication and more updates here from the Blue Mountain. But I figured that they are very busy getting the website up and organizing sittings and figuring out how they want to do things. With no forum there, it is harder to see what’s going on, and the Facebook/G+ pages were not updated for a long while, but lately there is more content there. Everyone here is free to join in the sittings over there and leave comments, and a few people have done.

Jundo, with all respect, I think that saying “they are not the best communicators,” is a kind of comment on folks personally, that is counter-productive. If someone said to me, “hey, you’re not the best communicator,” I would probably not feel inclined to communicate more, but might feel defensive. Saying that they have not communicated as much as we wish they would, might be more accurate? I agree, we should all work harder in the New Year to stay in touch. I’m assuming that they want to be in touch with us...?

I miss Taigu’s influence here. I don’t know really if the split was completely friendly or not, and I guess it is bad manners to ask. But I appreciate that both Taigu and Jundo have been very kind in their speech about each other and the whole transition. I hope that when they are fully up and running, Taigu will post teachings here and still be involved here as much as his time allows.

I think many of us still consider Taigu to be a teacher here, although his role has changed to more of a (special, favored) guest teacher. He is still listed on our Treeleaf Teachers and Novice Priests page. I can’t find the sticky thread that we had set up for Taigu updates anymore? But I think I remember him mentioning the Dharma transmission. I don’t know if Jundo knew about it, but I would be surprised if he didn’t.

I see no mention of Treeleaf or Jundo on the Blue Mountain website, and no link. I don’t know if this is because of a wish for separation, or because the website is still under construction.

I’ve contacted Taigu a few times since the split, and he has always answered promptly and warmly and been generous as always with his guidance. I still consider him my teacher along with Jundo.

I don’t know what Daizan’s PM means. I would need more context to judge, and I feel that something is being implied by posting it, but I’m not sure what it is, exactly.

Can we speak openly about the split? Does anyone else have questions or feelings to share?

Gassho
Lisa
sat today

HI Lisa from snowy Owen Sound Ontario. I should be playing here and not posting but I felt on the drive up that I aught to follow up. pardon the spelling I'n not wearing reading glasses.


Of course there is no mention of Treeleaf.

The context is simply that I heard from Taigu at the time of the split about the new Zendo but had no further communication after that until receiving that pm a little while ago. I posted about it to gwt across the clear impression it gave me. Taigu has his own sangha and I had to choose between that and Treeleaf. Its not an impression.. it's plain. at least in my case. I have no special issue with Taigu so I'm not sure why. Posting about a PM is unethical but I did it to say that Treeleaf is whole and complete, and that I (for what it is worth) am not sentimental for lost anything. Maybe thing will circle around and connect.. maybe not.

I wish all the best to every sangha and every teacher...

Gassho
Daizan

Sat today

[Byokan]

Hi Daizan,

thank you for providing more info. I value your insight greatly.

Gassho
Lisa
sat today

[Jundo]

Hi Lisa,

I will try to answer as best I can.

The image was two ships sailing their own way, with their own styles, but generally side by side with interchange between. But in order for that to work, good communication is vital. We have to work hard to maintain that.

Taigu won't teach here regularly, but he will teach there. In my understanding, he wants to work with a small group of select students there, as opposed to the large group here with a more "open door" policy. There were some differences in teaching style, so it seemed good to each have a place where we could express that style. They are both good styles, though sometimes pointing different ways. The idea was that, if there were two captains ... one who wished to go east and another more westerly, the answer was to have two boats (as I have discussed before, I am interested in taking Practice in a less esoteric, more modern and minimalist direction). In this Buddhist world, there are 1000 Sangha with 1000 Teachers with 1000 slightly or greatly varying styles. Buddhism is like music/musicians or art/artists that way, and there are many good styles.

I did not know that there was an upcoming Transmission Ceremony beforehand (except that they were planning it for somewhere eventually down the road). So, it was rather a surprise that it had happened already, but I am so very happy for everyone involved.

I am not sure I know what else to tell you except that communication should be better if the experiment is to work. I hope it does get better.

Gassho, J

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