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  • threethirty
    Member
    • Dec 2011
    • 170

    I've been hiding for a year

    Howdy all,

    I have been hiding from here for a year. So to explain. I had a terrible experience during Zazen. I saw myself without all of the things we add to make ourselves feel good about ourselves (a clunky sentence I know, it's difficult to explain). It was very troubling and I came away with the all encompassing feeling that "death is too good for you".

    Since then every time I try to do Zazen I have a panic attack, and this has become the beginning of a toppling of my entire life. I have since lost my home, my job, and have become incredibly depressed. The only thing I haven't ruined is teaching Kung-Fu, but I have been faking the qigong class I teach because if I get too deep into the meditation I start crying (not a good thing to have happen in front of students).

    The reason I have been hiding is I was afraid of the answer to my problem, SIT WITH IT. I know the answer but felt I need to get this off my chest and out in the open. Sunlight is the best disinfectant.



    Washu
    --Washu
    和 Harmony
    秀 Excellence

    "Trying to be happy by accumulating possessions is like trying to satisfy hunger by taping sandwiches all over your body" George Carlin Roshi
  • Daiyo
    Member
    • Jul 2014
    • 819

    #2
    Hi Washu, much metta to you.

    If you are suffering from depression and panic attacks, my humble advice would be to first get professional help and resuming practice when the doctors say it's safe.
    Getting the right help is accepting you have something to work out. And maybe that's the way you can "sit with it" for now.

    This sangha is quite good at supporting people, you will surely find folks willing to help.
    Gassho,Walter

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    • Dosho
      Member
      • Jun 2008
      • 5784

      #3
      Washu,

      I am sorry to hear of your experience. I am only a novice priest so take what I say with many grains of salt! I don't think seeing a doctor is ever a bad idea in these circumstances because, although we are very supportive as Walter mentions, we are not medical professionals and do not claim to be.

      I will say that these experiences have happened to a number of people in the sangha and they may have some advice. But even if you are not sitting, there is no reason not to be on the forum. Some need the time away and that is perfectly fine, but I would never want someone to think they need to be off the forum if they are not sitting regularly due to various circumstances.

      We are here for you.

      Gassho,
      Dosho

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      • Jundo
        Treeleaf Founder and Priest
        • Apr 2006
        • 39983

        #4
        I agree with the above two fellows' advice.

        Shall we Skype? I will be back in Tokyo at the end of next week, and we can set a time.

        Go easy on yourself.

        Gassho, Jundo
        ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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        • Byokan
          Treeleaf Unsui
          • Apr 2014
          • 4288

          #5
          Hi Washu,

          thank you so much for having the courage to step into the sunlight and speak your truth. Looking into the void can be scary. I have no doubt that you are working your way through this. I hope things will get better soon. Of course, professionals can probably help with the anxiety/depression. Your Sangha is here with you. May this difficult path lead you to a better place.

          Gassho
          Lisa
          展道 渺寛 Tendō Byōkan
          Please take my words with a big grain of salt. I know nothing. Wisdom is only found in our whole-hearted practice together.

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          • Jundo
            Treeleaf Founder and Priest
            • Apr 2006
            • 39983

            #6
            So well spoken, Lisa.
            ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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            • Ishin
              Member
              • Jul 2013
              • 1359

              #7
              Hi Washu

              My professional advice is see a professional, other than that I wish you much wellness and opportunities to resolve this issue. I have only been here a year and so far no one has asked to see my zazen time punch card. It's true. Dosho still talks to me even when I don't show up to sit!

              Metta
              Gassho
              C
              Grateful for your practice

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              • Mp

                #8
                Originally posted by raindrop
                Looking into the void can be scary. I have no doubt that you are working your way through this.
                I couldn't agree more. It shows great courage and character, which we know you have Washu. Be kind to yourself and know that awareness is the key to change so you are on the right path. =) We are always here for you!

                Gassho
                Shingen

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                • Rich
                  Member
                  • Apr 2009
                  • 2612

                  #9
                  Often, emotions are linked to the health of our physical organs, so I would recommend a complete physical exam. Recently I was treated by a doctor of Chinese / acupuncture medicine and feel much better. I was also treated by a western medical doctor and gained a better understanding.

                  Kind regards. /\
                  _/_
                  Rich
                  MUHYO
                  無 (MU, Emptiness) and 氷 (HYO, Ice) ... Emptiness Ice ...

                  https://instagram.com/notmovingmind

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                  • Tiwala
                    Member
                    • Oct 2013
                    • 201

                    #10
                    Hello,

                    It can seem like everything is falling apart when you are depressed, but sometimes, it need not really be so. I am taking medication and it has been amazing. My problems are still there, but I can finally easily apply the Buddhist teachings that we follow and has accelerated therapy. I am not suggesting that it may also work for you. I think it also depends on the patient. But just know that there is hope. It may be difficult to see it right now, but you don't have to believe everything you think or feel. Please have faith in that.

                    Gassho,
                    Ben
                    Gassho
                    Ben

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                    • Taigu
                      Blue Mountain White Clouds Hermitage Priest
                      • Aug 2008
                      • 2710

                      #11
                      Everything has been said: for now, the most important bit for you is counseling and seeing a good mental doctor.

                      take great care of your seemingly broken self

                      all the best


                      gassho


                      Taigu

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                      • Koshin
                        Member
                        • Feb 2012
                        • 938

                        #12
                        We are here for you Washu, please take great care and if you need to share, you know we will listen with no judgements....profesional care is a must if you can afford it somehow, here in my country is a luxury.
                        Much Metta

                        Gassho
                        Thank you for your practice

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                        • Jishin
                          Member
                          • Oct 2012
                          • 4821

                          #13
                          I've been hiding for a year

                          I am not a teacher but can see why practicing without guidance from a teacher can be dangerous. Please get professional mental health help.

                          Gassho, Jishin
                          Last edited by Jishin; 08-22-2014, 10:48 AM.

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                          • KellyRok
                            Member
                            • Jul 2008
                            • 1374

                            #14
                            Washu,

                            Please know that you are not alone, I've gone through something similar in the last few years. Yes, there is some wonderful advice here. Please don't be afraid to seek out counseling and reach out to us as you are working through this. Just my opinion, but only sit if it feels right to you and only sit for short periods if need be...this helped me ease back into regular practice.

                            I hope you find some relief. Please rest and take care of yourself.

                            Gassho,
                            Jinmei

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                            • Joyo

                              #15
                              Washu, we are always here for you. May you be able to get some professional help. I am getting help from a professional counsellor right now. It was made a huge difference. I hope you can have the same experience, It's ok to lean on others when needed.

                              Much metta,


                              Gassho,
                              Joyo

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