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  • Kokuu
    Treeleaf Priest
    • Nov 2012
    • 6844

    Zen's Female Lineage

    Interesting article from Tricycle magazine about how one sangha formed a female ancestor document to go alongside the male lineage chart handed out at Jukai.

    "The women ancestor document formed out of an urgent plea for change and a sense of injustice at the absence of women figures in Soto Zen history as it was being taught in the West. Its creation is an example of how history is adjusted for greater accuracy in light of a value system that honors women’s contributions. This document embodies a new story for Zen, a story that includes women. It also embodies a story of how history changes."




    Added: also, from the same issue, Rita M Gross discusses male privilege in Buddhism and the obstacle of female birth: http://www.tricycle.com/feature/man-made-obstacle


    Gassho
    Andy
    Last edited by Kokuu; 06-02-2014, 03:32 PM.
  • Hans
    Member
    • Mar 2007
    • 1853

    #2
    Hello Andy,

    thanks for sharing. Seems like a very good idea! If we in the West are to wait for the Soto-Shu to become more open to powerful women in a greater sense, we shouldn't hold our breath, because one cannot divide the extreme macho mentality found in institutionalised Asian Buddhism from the local culture. A step in the right direction! Of course we in the West have a lot of gender related "healing work" to do ourselves.

    Blessed Lady Prajna Paramita is smiling without a doubt.



    Gassho,

    Hans Chudo Mongen

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    • Cooperix
      Member
      • Nov 2013
      • 502

      #3
      Thank you for bringing this important article to the attention of the sangha. Yesterday's paper had an AP article on the epidemic worldwide of violence toward women. The WHO calculates that one in three women worldwide will experience sexual or physical violence in their lifetime. A deplorable finding.
      Beginning to recognize that women are deserving of respect, indeed should be given respect is a first step in healing the mysogeny that permeates our culture.
      In my lifetime in the US there have been important changes. But we still have so very far to go.
      again thank you for pointing out that article!
      Anne

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      • Mp

        #4
        Thank you for this Andy, equality in all forms is very important and a value I hold dear.

        Gassho
        Shingen

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        • Dosho
          Member
          • Jun 2008
          • 5784

          #5
          Andy,

          We do chant the names of women ancestors during our Rohatsu retreat. Check this out:



          It starts on page 12. But the idea of having a second lineage chart for jukai is an excellent idea we should definitely consider.

          Gassho,
          Dosho

          Originally posted by Kokuu
          Interesting article from Tricycle magazine about how one sangha formed a female ancestor document to go alongside the male lineage chart handed out at Jukai.

          "The women ancestor document formed out of an urgent plea for change and a sense of injustice at the absence of women figures in Soto Zen history as it was being taught in the West. Its creation is an example of how history is adjusted for greater accuracy in light of a value system that honors women’s contributions. This document embodies a new story for Zen, a story that includes women. It also embodies a story of how history changes."




          Gassho
          Andy

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          • Kokuu
            Treeleaf Priest
            • Nov 2012
            • 6844

            #6
            We do chant the names of women ancestors during our Rohatsu retreat
            I had forgotten that, Dosho. I remember doing that now and it was very lovely.

            Gassho
            Andy

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            • Geika
              Treeleaf Unsui
              • Jan 2010
              • 4984

              #7
              Something I wonder why I haven't thought of yet... Thank you, Andy.
              求道芸化 Kyūdō Geika
              I am just a priest-in-training, please do not take anything I say as a teaching.

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              • Myosha
                Member
                • Mar 2013
                • 2974

                #8
                Hello,

                Thank you for the link Andy.

                Attachment can be distracting.


                Gassho,
                Myosha
                "Recognize suffering, remove suffering." - Shakyamuni Buddha when asked, "Uhm . . .what?"

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                • Jundo
                  Treeleaf Founder and Priest
                  • Apr 2006
                  • 40379

                  #9
                  Hi,

                  Many years ago, we also added a dedication during every ceremony to all "male and female ancestors whose names have been forgotten or left unsaid".

                  And of course, in ultimate reality ... what male, what female?

                  However, the fact of the matter is that, in the conservative and male dominated societies and Buddhist institutions of Asia, the women were so forgotten that most of the names on the "Women Ancestors List" are just various random names pulled out of writings scattered here and there, some not even historical. Of course, even the traditional list of the male Ancestors is largely made up and cooked up the further one goes back in time, simply to draw a line back from the Zen institution back to the Buddha where no real historical record exists (many of the people in the Zen Lineage, especially past about 1500 years ago, never met, never particularly practiced "Zen", or did not even really live). So, we might say that the new "Womens" list is just as fictional as the traditional list.

                  Of course, even if we do not know exactly who ... some folks somewhere kept traditions going, and are our source. So, we celebrate them even if we do not know their name. And I would include countless women, even if their roles are little known and previously ignored.

                  Gassho, J

                  PS - If anyone would like to read more reflections on why we honor Lineage even if, it is now know, much of it is imaginary ... here is an old post ...

                  I saw this book when I was perusing an online bookstore and I wondered if anyone here was familiar with it? http://www.hamiltonbook.com/Religion/Buddhism/fathering-your-father-the-zen-of-fabrication-in-tang-buddhism From a description on amazon, it seems to delve into the lineage of chan/zen and the author argues that there
                  Last edited by Jundo; 06-02-2014, 04:29 PM.
                  ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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                  • Marj
                    Member
                    • Jun 2014
                    • 6

                    #10
                    Balance is the key

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                    • Nindo

                      #11
                      Here are some personal thoughts on lineage that I wrote for my congregation's blog a couple of weeks ago:

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                      • Byokan
                        Treeleaf Unsui
                        • Apr 2014
                        • 4289

                        #12
                        Hi Nindo,

                        Wonderful, love this! Thanks for sharing

                        Gassho
                        Lisa
                        展道 渺寛 Tendō Byōkan
                        Please take my words with a big grain of salt. I know nothing. Wisdom is only found in our whole-hearted practice together.

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                        • Mp

                          #13
                          This is wonderful Nindo, thank you. =)

                          Gassho
                          Shingen

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                          • Kokuu
                            Treeleaf Priest
                            • Nov 2012
                            • 6844

                            #14
                            Beautiful, Nindo. Thank you so much for sharing!

                            Gassho
                            Andy

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                            • Jinyo
                              Member
                              • Jan 2012
                              • 1957

                              #15
                              Thank you for sharing Nindo.

                              Gassho

                              Willow

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