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  • Ryumon
    Member
    • Apr 2007
    • 1815

    The first noble truth and dukkha

    I think what got me interested in the dharma was the simple understanding of dukkha, that I first read about some 25 years ago. Realizing that the stress/dissatisfaction of dukkha is, well, stressful and dissatisfying, changed the way I look at the world. It's something I've held with me over the years, and it's helped me - I think - be more detached about the good and bad things that happen.

    I've been reading a book recently - Turning the Wheel of Truth, buy Ajahn Sucitto, an English Theravadan - which looks at the all-important first teaching of the Buddha where he explained the four noble truths. The bit about dukkha is very interesting, and I thought it would be a good thing to bring up the subject, which is something that I don't often see on the forum.

    First, here's Jundo's brief, yet precise discussion of the subject:

    Were going to start a new series of 'Sit-a-Long with Jundo’s' on some fundamental Buddhist teachings — those things every Buddhist needs to know (and not know) — and maybe the most fundamental, insightful and elegant is the Buddha’s teaching of the Four Noble Truths, and Dukkha: So, what are the 'Four Noble Truths' (the


    I've wondered about keeping a "dukkha diary," where I would note moments in my life where I feel dukkha. I think doing this might - rather than seem like a pessimistic way of recording my life - help me understand the myriad moments of dukkha, both small and large, and understand just how much dukkha there is, but also to accept them for what they are.

    So, today, here are some moments of dukkha I've had:

    At around 6:00 am, a bird started chirping outside my window. "Cheep! Cheep! Cheep!" He was most likely sitting under the eaves, and the sun's early rays prompted him to call out: was it a mating call, or just the joy of seeing the sun again. But for me, it was loud and disturbing. Yet I didn't want to prevent the bird from doing what was natural, so I lay on my side, and put a pillow on my top ear to quiet the bird. I fell back to sleep again, perhaps 20 minutes later.

    When I ate breakfast - just a piece of toast and a glass of milk, as I'm trying to lose weight - Titus the cat came and sniffed out the milk, and was very, very interested in it. I couldn't eat in peace, but I know Titus was just doing what cats do: looking for food, finding something, and wanting to get his share. It was frustrating and annoying, but I accepted that Titus was being a cat, so I just picked up the glass, and held it as I ate.

    I know; these are both tiny moments of dukkha, and ones that are easily identifiable. I have no big-picture dukkha to share today: no insecurity, pain, sickness, anxiety or doubt. But there were other small moments of dukkha this morning:

    The annoyance that a grocery store had not applied a £25 discount to my last online order, and I had already called twice. Since they still haven't called back, I have to waste time to either call them again, or just contest the payment with my bank. It's taken too much time already, and there's a lot of annoyance there: dukkha.

    Hearing Miles Davis' tone sounding bitter and acerbic on a live recording from 1965. All the reviews of the Live at the Plugged Nickel set were ecstatic, but I think Mile's tone was just terrible. The music doesn't sound to me as it should.

    My frustration at the rain outside: I wanted to go for a walk today, but it's going to rain all day.

    A bit of gut discomfort, and wondering what I could have eaten yesterday to cause it. A cup of chamomile tea is making it feel a bit better.

    Just realizing that it's 12:15 and that I haven't accomplished much yet today.

    There will be many more. Perhaps others would like to share moments of dukkha...?

    Gassho,

    Kirk
    I know nothing.
  • Neo
    Member
    • Nov 2012
    • 76

    #2
    Waking up, remembering I didnt pay the parking ticket for my car outside, also remembering I didnt have any cash at home and it would be a big project just to get cash to put in the machine. Felt a great deal of dukkha, fell asleep again thinking "what ever F* it all, I can take a ticket"
    .. because he constantly forgets him self,
    he is never forgotten ..

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    • Jundo
      Treeleaf Founder and Priest
      • Apr 2006
      • 40772

      #3
      I already find this thread very frustrating.
      ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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      • Kokuu
        Dharma Transmitted Priest
        • Nov 2012
        • 6881

        #4
        Blimey, Kirk, I would spend all day writing!

        Actually, though, this sounds like a great exercise to see how often and why we experience dukkha. I imagine that a lot of times it is something that, in retrospect, seems ridiculously trivial. The scientist in me already wants to chart different reasons for upset but that way lies madness!

        Do keep us posted how the exercise goes. Psychologists often give people with depression, anxiety or OCD a similar practice to note how often difficult thoughts arise.

        Gassho
        Andy

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        • Sekishi
          Dharma Transmitted Priest
          • Apr 2013
          • 5673

          #5
          Oh my, Kirk I don't know if you are my hero or a crazy man, maybe both! It is like the mirror image of the "thank the difficulties in your life" practice we did during Ango. Seriously though, please keep us informed on this exercise.

          Today, every moment the world was different than I wanted it to be, I experienced Dukkha. What would it be if I allowed the world to simply be? Grasping at all of the "beautiful" forms around me, passing away, ground by time into dust. Desiring oblivion for the "ugly" forms (which will also be ground into dust).

          As the doge says: Such grasping. Much Dukkha. Wow.

          Gassho,
          Sekishi
          Sekishi | 石志 | He/him | Better with a grain of salt, but best ignored entirely.

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          • Kyonin
            Dharma Transmitted Priest
            • Oct 2010
            • 6748

            #6
            Hi Kirk,

            Sorry for asking this, but isn't this journal too focused on the bad things?

            Life includes dukkha, but in every second of the day there are happy simple things as well.

            As I type this the sun is shining and I can see hummingbirds flying near my girlfriend's little garden. I also had a few raisins and their taste and sweetness was explosive in my mouth. Also I am a little uncomfortable from my yoga practice this morning. And I just read the news, which are horrible as usual. But then again, I am typing in another language, sitting comfortable in my office chair... which means I have a home, work, a chair, a desk and a (poor) education.

            In a single second there are good things and bad things. All happening at the same time.

            Could it be that you could also be aware on the good things? Or even better, just to surf the waves and taking things just as they are?

            I don't know. Just a though. I could be totally wrong.

            Gassho,

            Kyonin
            Hondō Kyōnin
            奔道 協忍

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            • Ryumon
              Member
              • Apr 2007
              • 1815

              #7
              Kyonin,

              I think it's easy to record the good things. It's interesting, however, to record dukkha; not just the Big Bad Things, but the little ones, the ones we pay no attention to normally. I think it's important to realize how pervasive dukkha is, not to be dismal, but to put things into perspective.

              Also, I think a lot of understanding dukkha is about accepting it and letting it go, but without ignoring its existence.

              As I type this, I'm slightly twisted in my office chair, because Titus the cat has taken up residence on my lap, and I can't sit exactly the way I want. Is that dukkha? Yes and no; I'd rather sit more comfortably, but Titus on my lap feels warm and fluffy. ;-)

              Jundo? Would you like to weigh in here?

              Gassho,

              Kirk
              I know nothing.

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              • Amelia
                Member
                • Jan 2010
                • 4980

                #8
                It doesn't take tirelessly writing every incident of dukkha to recognize dukkha. You already know when it's there.
                求道芸化 Kyūdō Geika
                I am just a priest-in-training, please do not take anything I say as a teaching.

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                • Sekishi
                  Dharma Transmitted Priest
                  • Apr 2013
                  • 5673

                  #9
                  Kirk, thank you for your post. I've really sunk into contemplation of Dukkha / the First Noble Truth today because of it.

                  I did some writing, but thought it might be better not to clutter up your thread with it.

                  I was thinking about Kirk's post here: http://www.treeleaf.org/forums/showthread.php?12182-The-first-noble-truth-and-dukkha And it really got me to sink into the nature of the first noble truth. Imagine a huge pool, with tall concrete sides (far too tall to climb). Some parts of the pool are pleasing to the senses,


                  Gassho,
                  Sekishi
                  Sekishi | 石志 | He/him | Better with a grain of salt, but best ignored entirely.

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                  • Nameless
                    Member
                    • Apr 2013
                    • 461

                    #10
                    "I exist, that is dukkha," hahaha just kidding. Thought I'd donate a thought I would have had back when there was Depressed Teenager John. The dukkha of the last week was, "This song does not sound like I want it to." When I set this mind on something, I don't usually fail. I have an album coming out next month and I just wanted to throw one more track on it that would tie it all together (it's kind of a concept album). This track too me days and days just to get the music levels right. Then I realized after recording the vocals that there was no way that I could have them both 1) be heard 2) not cause distortion.

                    After all the hours put in, and the realization that the song's message could not be expressed, I broke down and cried. I was very attached to this song. The next day I had the insight to change it into a spoken word song. So I wrote a short story, recorded myself reading it, and then played some soft piano under it. I decided to throw parts of the original into it for when I wasn't reading. It worked, though it is so novel and incongruous that most people probably won't enjoy it, so I'll probably end up leaving it off the album anyway.

                    The irony of this story is that the album is about Buddhist concepts. There's even a song called Dukkha on it. I literally threw away practice this week and was emerged into the gritty world of worldliness. The only difference was that I was aware of this every moment. Aware that I was veering off into the Dark Side of the force haha. The lesson the week? Things don't always work out the way you want them to. You can't have everything just so, and can't prevent difficulties from arising when the conditions are right. We can still realize that it's good practice and that all is Shikantaza. The clear sky is there above the clouds.

                    Gassho, Foolishly Serious John

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                    • Myosha
                      Member
                      • Mar 2013
                      • 2974

                      #11
                      It's all practice.^^


                      Gassho,
                      Myosha
                      "Recognize suffering, remove suffering." - Shakyamuni Buddha when asked, "Uhm . . .what?"

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                      • RichardH
                        Member
                        • Nov 2011
                        • 2800

                        #12
                        I'm glad Treeleaf has a "Buddha basics" section. The ABC's of early Buddhism bloomed into the skillful means of the Zen and Tibetan Buddhism. It is made of sturdy stuff.

                        Just speaking from my own experience, dukkha and cessation of dukkha is still in play while practicing zazen, even though it is not something that is focused on. When I "just sit" there is a simple openness with no agenda, but that spacious mind has a natural quality of clarity or sharpness. It is an immediate discerning aspect that is not thinking, but direct and experiential. This discerning aspect tastes "dukkha" or "wanting this moment to be/feel other than it is" , and the openness spontaneously releases it. One of the interesting things about dukkha is that it seems to be in the very process of becoming in time and space, deeper than personal suffering. Cessation of dukkha open and opens. I don't think there is an end to it. All in the simple space of just sitting with no agenda.

                        Gassho Daizan
                        Last edited by RichardH; 04-08-2014, 04:54 AM.

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                        • Ryumon
                          Member
                          • Apr 2007
                          • 1815

                          #13
                          Yes, dukkha is not just bad things, or unhappy things; it's also I-want-this-to-be-different things.

                          Gassho,

                          Kirk
                          I know nothing.

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                          • RichardH
                            Member
                            • Nov 2011
                            • 2800

                            #14
                            Originally posted by kirkmc
                            Yes, dukkha is not just bad things, or unhappy things; it's also I-want-this-to-be-different things.

                            Gassho,

                            Kirk
                            Most of the heavy handed personal suffering I grew up with is gone, along with the awful questions, they have been settled in cessation of dukkha. But there is still a subtle dukkha in the very extension from a dimensionless point.. So to say "life is suffering" is wrong, suffering is optional, but dukkha in the more subtle non-suffering sense is very deep. It opens out and out.

                            The beauty of Just Sitting ,IMHO, is that the Four Noble truths , 8 fold path, dependent origination etc. is all right there in the most perfectly simple non-practice practice. I'm not sure if a teacher of Shikantaza would put it that way, and maybe those basics are not a required study for the non-ordained practitioner, but having come from a background of those "Buddha Basic", it has been very much an organic whole. Thank you for raising the topic. it is a special interest for me.

                            Gassho Daizan

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                            • alan.r
                              Member
                              • Jan 2012
                              • 546

                              #15
                              I had diarrhea and vomiting for around 12 hours this weekend, along with dehydration. The most dukkha I've experienced in a long, long time. Made all the little stuff I worry/get annoyed about seem ridiculous, and also reminded me, quite clearly, that I'm in control of nothing. Nothing. Sitting zazen is giving into that open flowing that is beyond the little me. Sitting zazen, even on the sofa, in the middle of of this sickness, there was that brief stillness of nondukkha amidst the dukkha: that, even if briefly, it was okay my body was violently ill: it was just what was happening. Then I went back to complaining like a child.

                              Gassho
                              Shōmon

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