beutiful vs. ugly

[Ernstguitar]

I struggle a little with the idea of "not judging". What happens with the very, very beautiful things like listening to the sun bear concert from Keith Jarrett after 50 years doing zazen?
I listened yesterday after my evening sitting to that and I felt wounderful and connected with everything. It was taking me in a sort of happyness I often feel when I listen to certain records. My "one eye" enjoyed.
The second eye.......
Without judging there is no ugly and no beauty?

Gassho
Ernst

[Kokuu]

Hi Ernst

Ah, there is plenty of beauty in the world. This morning a chaffinch was picking at seeds on my doorstep and there are flowers springing up everywhere just now with their own blend of beauty. Humanwise, there is beauty in art and music. I found it the other day in The Velvet Underground.

I wonder, though, if part of practice is not just to see the beauty and interconnectedness in the obviously beautiful but in the other parts of life we often shy away from? Maggot picking at a roadkill also have beauty and interconnectedness, breaking down that which is dead to recycle into new plants and animals. Rotting wood, a burnt-out building, even the dying, is there beauty in all of those things?

We all have artistic preferences, favourite seasons and ideas of areas of the world we would prefer to be and live. I guess the challenge is in finding the beauty in the other parts too.

Gassho
Andy

[Hans]

Hello Ernst,

through dropping all judgements we may awaken to a different kind of beauty underneath, within and expressed as everything around us. That beauty is not born, nor does it die, does not rely on anything and is not a thing, nor is it non-existent. Even the most beautiful melody can end, but that which is the one taste of suchness expressed as every- and anything, such a taste is the nectar of Buddhas.

Follow your enjoyment of a particular concert to its source, and I don't mean that in an intellectual way. One way of cultivating this is Zazen. Let the non-source shine forth. There you will find the non-place whence all music in all the worlds originates.


Gassho,

Hans Chudo Mongen

[Ernstguitar]

I wonder, though, if part of practice is not just to see the beauty and interconnectedness in the obviously beautiful but in the other parts of life we often shy away from? Maggot picking at a roadkill also have beauty and interconnectedness, breaking down that which is dead to recycle into new plants and animals. Rotting wood, a burnt-out building, even the dying, is there beauty in all of those things?

Yes and thank you. I have the same idea. But it is still a judgement, isn't it?

Hans, sorry. But I didn' get it. How does my judgement look like?

[Kokuu]

I have the same idea. But it is still a judgement, isn't it?

Then just drop all ideas of beauty and ugly and be with things as they are. If you enjoy, enjoy, if not, don't. No need to add anything extra.

Hans' sense of underlying beauty and connectedness is what I was trying to point to as well. If you just take things are they are, that may arise. Or it may not.


Gassho
Andy

[Jishin]

beutiful vs. ugly

Hi Ernst,

I think that as individuals we must make judgments. Should I wear clothing to go to work today or not? Should I take my kids to school or not? Should I tell my kids to study hard so they can go to college? Is the death of my dog sad or not? Is the...? I think the trick is not being attached to our judgements as everything is impermanent except change. When we drop the attachment to our opinions then we can truly appreciate beauty in our world. Music becomes more beautiful as it won't be as disappointing when it ends. Pain will be less painful because it's impermanent. :-)

Gassho, Jishin

[Hans]

Hello,

drop all words, drop all concepts. Drop body and mind. Shut up and just sit, relaxed yet wide open and present. With humility, radical humility. After a couple of years with your teacher, or even after a few moments, there is a good chance you can allow yourself to arrive where you already are.

Judgments are not the issue.

Words can never fully express what the teachings are pointing to (also a bad excuse for my unskillful writings, but true IMHO), yet the words themselves are perfect expressions at the same time.

Gassho,

Hans Chudo Mongen

[Shokai]

_/\_

gassho, Jindo Shokai, an itinerant monk emeritus still learning the way and knowing nothing.

[Myozan Kodo]

Hi,
In my judgement, one should not judge. Trash and flowers. Both are perfect reality. No judgement added. Ask me to judge which one I'd rather smell and I'll pick flowers. Because beyond matters of judgement, just being perfectly myself, an ordinary human being, I don't like the smell of rotten trash.
...Although sometimes I have to smell trash, too. Indeed, there will always be trash to smell...
Gassho
Myozan

[Sydney]

Just finished my morning zazen, and I left the kitchen door open so the cats could come and go. As a result, I heard the nice sounds I tend to enjoy, smelled the humid air I don't want to turn my house into a mold factory, etc.

Enjoyment of this, aversion to that. Drop them or just let them fall away after they've had a chance to hand around thanking me for feeding them?

I sat with the door open, and they left when they were done hanging around. Then the bell rang.

This all came off way more poetic than intended. Time to change the cat box.

[Joyo]

So, so appreciate each post here, it has been very helpful to me. I change a disabled child's diaper, I wipe the drool off another child's face, I go for a lovely walk in the rain, not until finding Treeleaf and Zen have I realized the interconectedness of all these things and learned to just be. (but I'm still working on it, so that's why I come back here so often lol!!)

Gassho,
Joyo

[Ishin]

Great thoughts on this post, or maybe I just think they are

Gassho
C

[Jundo]

Some lovely expressions above by so many folks here. Wonderful!

One can find beauty and ugliness in this world. One can savor beauty, fully dive right in ... yet not be a prisoner of craving for beauty.

One can also experience a certain Beauty (Big "B") that holds and is all this world's beauty and all too frequent ugliness ... found all along when one sits Zazen, dropping all our judgments, aversions and attractions.

One then experiences and embodies Beauty which transcends beauty and ugliness ... and that even overflowing garbage cans are sacred and lovely ... yet can simultaneously witness and work to clean up all the ugliness of this world (cleaning up the stinking trash cans), while nurturing beauty. All at Once, as One. A world of judgments (lightly held. mind you) and No Judgments at once.

The is a harmonious MUSIC (Big "M") that is all the lovely human music of Keith Jarett's guitar and the cacophony of banging trash can lids As One.

What is so hard about that? It aint rocket science!

Gassho, J

[Ernstguitar]

Thank you to all of you.
With many words it got more clear for me. The point was, that I observed myself in the "normal" life, that I judge things very often (more than two years ago) as beautiful. So, I thought that it could be a mistake. And sometimes I have a kind of a little taste of the MUSIC. But very often I listen to music and get in this feeling. I do not think, that I am attached to that. I just wanted to get a little advise in that issue.

gassho
ernst

p.s.: I do not have a teacher

[Jishin]

p.s.: I do not have a teacher

You are my teacher.

Gassho, Jishin