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    After the Comma, Before the Word

    To never have lost anything, is that to never have found something?

    To never have found anything, is that never to have searched for something?

    To never have searched for anything, is that to never have wanted something?

    To never have wanted anything, is that to never have desired something?

    To never have desired anything, is that to have never lost something?

    I say that maybe the answer lies in the middle, after the commas in life, but before everything else?

    After the , before the word.

    , , , , ,

    There is no comma, which is why there is a comma.

    Now lets forget all this, lets go sit.

    ,Zazen,

    Gassho
    Bobby
  • Juki
    Member
    • Dec 2012
    • 771

    #2
    Grammatically speaking, the comma is often indicative of a natural pause. That pause is vast emptiness. No answers. Just sit.

    Gassho,
    Juki
    Last edited by Juki; 02-20-2014, 07:04 PM.
    "First you have to give up." Tyler Durden

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    • Ryumon
      Member
      • Apr 2007
      • 1772

      #3
      Actually, the comma first came into existence as a mark of where to breathe when reading a text aloud. So each comma is a breath.

      Gassho,

      Kirk
      I know nothing.

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      • Juki
        Member
        • Dec 2012
        • 771

        #4
        Originally posted by kirkmc
        Actually, the comma first came into existence as a mark of where to breathe when reading a text aloud. So each comma is a breath.

        Gassho,

        Kirk
        True. And, if I recall my history correctly, didn't it start out so that there was a system where the number and placement of marks told you how much breath you would need to read the next passage?

        emptiness and breath. That is zazen.

        gassho,
        Juki
        "First you have to give up." Tyler Durden

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        • Geika
          Treeleaf Unsui
          • Jan 2010
          • 4981

          #5
          Reading and reading music wasn't so different then, I guess.
          求道芸化 Kyūdō Geika
          I am just a priest-in-training, please do not take anything I say as a teaching.

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          • Myosha
            Member
            • Mar 2013
            • 2974

            #6
            Hey Bobby,

            Nice moment.

            Thank you.


            Gassho,
            Myosha
            "Recognize suffering, remove suffering." - Shakyamuni Buddha when asked, "Uhm . . .what?"

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            • Guest

              #7
              Originally posted by Juki
              Grammatically speaking, the comma is often indicative of a natural pause. That pause is vast emptiness. No answers. Just sit.

              Gassho,
              Juki

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              • TimF
                Member
                • Dec 2013
                • 174

                #8
                Very nice, Bobby!

                Gassho,
                Tim
                "The moment has priority". ~ Bon Haeng

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                • Jundo
                  Treeleaf Founder and Priest
                  • Apr 2006
                  • 39944

                  #9
                  Hmmm. I might put things another way ...

                  To never have lost anything, can one find that which is never lost nor ever found?

                  To never have found anything, beyond "losing" or "finding" do you know a finding without searchng?

                  To never have searched for anything, can one discover the freedom beyond wanting what is right in hand?

                  To never have wanted anything, do you know how to want and desire without want or desire?

                  To never have desired anything, do you know how to find that which can never be lost nor ever found?

                  The answer lies in the middle and boundless to the eight directions, beyond and right through words and punctuation, thoroughly before and after, up and down ...

                  ... no subject or predicate or dependent clause.

                  Gassho, J
                  Last edited by Jundo; 02-21-2014, 10:32 AM.
                  ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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                  • Taikyo
                    Friend of Treeleaf
                    • Nov 2012
                    • 363

                    #10
                    It´s the kind of speech no eye can see.
                    Kabir says: Listen to the word spoken in every body.
                    Gassho
                    Taikyo

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                    • Shinzan
                      Member
                      • Nov 2013
                      • 338

                      #11
                      Sweet pairing of poems.

                      Shinzan

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                      • Myosha
                        Member
                        • Mar 2013
                        • 2974

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Juki
                        True. And, if I recall my history correctly, didn't it start out so that there was a system where the number and placement of marks told you how much breath you would need to read the next passage?

                        emptiness and breath. That is zazen.

                        gassho,
                        Juki
                        Hello,

                        Speaking of chanting. . .. . .commas. . .breathing. Anyone know where we breath when chanting the Heart Sutra?

                        It's never the same, twice. . .or maybe. . .since it's the first time. . .every time. . . .

                        Yours in ignorance,


                        Gassho,
                        Myosha
                        "Recognize suffering, remove suffering." - Shakyamuni Buddha when asked, "Uhm . . .what?"

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                        • Taigu
                          Blue Mountain White Clouds Hermitage Priest
                          • Aug 2008
                          • 2710

                          #13
                          Hi Myosha,

                          We don t know when to breathe in chanting the Heart Sutra. We breathe out until we breathe in. Part of the experience of chanting is not to have it all mapped out, a bit like sitting: you never know.

                          Gassho

                          T.

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                          • Myosha
                            Member
                            • Mar 2013
                            • 2974

                            #14
                            Thank you.


                            Gassho,
                            Myosha
                            "Recognize suffering, remove suffering." - Shakyamuni Buddha when asked, "Uhm . . .what?"

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Jundo
                              Hmmm. I might put things another way ...

                              To never have lost anything, can one find that which is never lost nor ever found?

                              To never have found anything, beyond "losing" or "finding" do you know a finding without searchng?

                              To never have searched for anything, can one discover the freedom beyond wanting what is right in hand?

                              To never have wanted anything, do you know how to want and desire without want or desire?

                              To never have desired anything, do you know how to find that which can never be lost nor ever found?

                              The answer lies in the middle and boundless to the eight directions, beyond and right through words and punctuation, thoroughly before and after, up and down ...

                              ... no subject or predicate or dependent clause.

                              Gassho, J
                              Thank you Jundo

                              Gassho
                              Bobby

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