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  • Jundo
    Treeleaf Founder and Priest
    • Apr 2006
    • 40992

    #16
    Originally posted by Tiwala
    And that takes some effort? At least it does to me.

    Gassho, Ben
    The Chinese have a concept that had a tremendous impact on Buddhism as it came to China, and to Zen: Wu wei (無為, "mu-i" in Japanese) ... "non-doing", "non-effort" or "non-action". Or "Wei-wu-wei" which is "action-non-action" Here is a quick description from a Taoist perspective, as good as any ...

    The literal meaning of wu wei is "without action", "without effort", or "without control", and is often included in the paradox wei wu wei: "action without action" or "effortless doing". The practice of wu wei and the efficacy of wei wu wei are fundamental tenets in Chinese thought .... One cannot actively pursue wu wei. It is more a mere observation of one's behavior after they have accepted themselves for who they are and release conscious control over their lives to the Way.

    There is another sense of wu wei; "action that does not involve struggle or excessive effort". In this instance, wu means "without" and Wei means "effort". The concept of "effortless action" is a part of Taoist Internal martial arts such as T'ai chi ch'uan, Baguazhang and Xing Yi. It follows that wu wei complies with the main feature and distinguishing characteristic of Taoism, that of being natural. To apply wu wei to any situation is to take natural action.

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    In the original Taoist texts, wu wei is often associated with water and its yielding nature. Although water is soft and weak, it has the capacity to erode solid stone and move mountains. Water is without will (that is, the will for a shape), though it may be understood to be opposing wood, stone, or any solid aggregated material that can be broken into pieces. Due to its nature and propensity, water may potentially fill any container, assume any shape; given the Water cycle water may potentially go "anywhere", even into the minutest holes, both metaphorical and actual. Droplets of water, when falling as rain, gather in watersheds, flowing into and forming rivers of water, joining the proverbial sea: this is the nature of water.
    For its place in Zen, read footnote 21 on page 284 by the great Zen scholar Masao Abe, here ...



    Gassho, J
    Last edited by Jundo; 02-12-2014, 07:46 AM.
    ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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    • Tiwala
      Member
      • Oct 2013
      • 201

      #17
      Originally posted by Jundo
      The Chinese have a concept that had a tremendous impact on Buddhism as it came to China, and to Zen: Wu wei (無為, "mu-i" in Japanese) ... "non-doing", "non-effort" or "non-action". Or "Wei-wu-wei" which is "action-non-action" Here is a quick description from a Taoist perspective, as good as any ...



      For its place in Zen, read footnote 21 on page 284 by the great Zen scholar Masao Abe, here ...



      Gassho, J
      Yes, that's it. Sounds nice. Like cold fresh milk on a hot day. Mmmm.

      Thank you. I disappear in sitting in gratitude. Gassho, gassho.

      Gassho, Ben
      Gassho
      Ben

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      • Daitetsu
        Member
        • Oct 2012
        • 1154

        #18
        Thanks a lot for sharing this, Jundo!

        Entire books have been written about Wu wei - it is a fascinating concept.
        For those interested I can very much recommend reading Do Nothing & Do Everything by Qiguang Zhao.
        Highly recommended!

        Just a few excerpts:

        Our daily life is part of the universe, as every small drop of ocean water reflects the enormous sun. If we cannot change the orbit of the sun, we cannot decide everything in our life either. Therefore, we should accept the pain, treasure the joy, and appreciate life now.
        Between your house and your shop, there are numerous little spots of happiness: a squirrel running away from you, a raindrop falling on you, and a stranger greeting you. Just acknowledge them. They always come to you. You do nothing, and nothing is left undone.
        In learning, we always pick up more. In Taoism, we drop things. Since our infancy, we have learned many things that separate us from the universe. We worry about trivial matters, like wealth and prestige. Now we want to return to our origins, to be more like a baby and forget these distractions. We want to do nothing. This is Wu Wei.By choosing nonaction, we choose to empty ourselves and go with the flow rather than fight the current. Nonaction does not mean not doing, stopping the natural progression of events; instead, nonaction means to follow nature’s course without fighting, striving, or resisting change. We are like water, like the empty vessel, formless and nameless; and in so being, we cannot act: we must accept what challenges the universe throws at us. At the same time, by fulfilling our purpose and allowing ourselves to be empty, we are doing all that we need to do. We do nothing and, in so doing, accomplish everything.


        Gassho,

        Daitetsu
        no thing needs to be added

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        • Kokuu
          Dharma Transmitted Priest
          • Nov 2012
          • 6928

          #19
          I like this quote on non-doing from Jon Kabat-Zinn

          Non-doing has nothing to do with being indolent or passive. Quite the contrary. It takes great courage and energy to cultivate non-doing, both in stillness and in activity. Nor is it easy to make a special time for non-doing and to keep at it in the face of everything in our lives which needs to be done.

          Gassho
          Kokuu

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          • Ricky Ramos
            Member
            • Oct 2013
            • 46

            #20
            Hello, Jundo:
            Just loved the sharing of such wirtings. reminds me thta, there was a time in my life when I saw meditation as a mind altering, secretive, outwordly practice. After learnig more abotu Buddhism and what meditation is all about, I know I can enjoy it by keeping things simple. As I have learned here, and you sharing those teaching, meditation should be seen as a very simple action of sitting ([In] the resting meditation of a kusulu, we do not go through a lot of effort to do the meditation. It is not examining anything thoroughly, it is not studying; we just rest simply in equipoise just as it is. This is extremely important.). So I am learning to keep things simple.

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            • Ricky Ramos
              Member
              • Oct 2013
              • 46

              #21
              Gassho

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              • Matt
                Member
                • Oct 2012
                • 497

                #22
                Originally posted by Tiwala
                What I meant to say was that letting go is the goal. When thoughts, desires and so on come, one let's them go and sits with what is, tasting what reality is beyond AND among whatever clouds may be. Embracing all of the sky.The goal is to forget about running away, getting somewhere else etc. And that takes some effort? At least it does to me.

                Gassho, Ben
                Hi Ben,

                I, too, have often thought of 'letting go' as part of zazen. However, recently I've wondered if 'letting be' might be more accurate. This is a subtle distinction, and which pales in comparison to Jundo's description as "Whole, Sacred, Perfect Sitting with not one thing to add, nothing to take away, no other place to go or thing in need of doing."

                Gassho,
                Matt J

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                • Tiwala
                  Member
                  • Oct 2013
                  • 201

                  #23
                  Originally posted by Matt
                  Hi Ben,

                  I, too, have often thought of 'letting go' as part of zazen. However, recently I've wondered if 'letting be' might be more accurate. This is a subtle distinction, and which pales in comparison to Jundo's description as "Whole, Sacred, Perfect Sitting with not one thing to add, nothing to take away, no other place to go or thing in need of doing."

                  Gassho,
                  Matt J
                  Letting be sounds a lot better!

                  Gassho, Ben
                  Gassho
                  Ben

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                  • Ishin
                    Member
                    • Jul 2013
                    • 1359

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Matt
                    Hi Ben,

                    I, too, have often thought of 'letting go' as part of zazen. However, recently I've wondered if 'letting be' might be more accurate. This is a subtle distinction, and which pales in comparison to Jundo's description as "Whole, Sacred, Perfect Sitting with not one thing to add, nothing to take away, no other place to go or thing in need of doing."

                    Gassho,
                    Matt J
                    Letting Be.. very nice way to put it Matt

                    Clark
                    Grateful for your practice

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