Neat summary of Dogen's 'intention' in his teaching here.
There are some interesting pod casts on this site.
Gassho
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Neat summary of Dogen's 'intention' in his teaching here.
There are some interesting pod casts on this site.
Gassho
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Interesting piece. Thank you, Willow!
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Thank you Willow.
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I confess to reading twice and not getting much at all. What?
The summarizing of Dogen in a few closing sentences seems narrow at best, and more than a little silly. What is the meaning of this? I need an explanation.
The best treatments of Dogen's approach to Buddhist philosophy and modus operandi are the two books by the great Dogenologist Dr. Kim (He wrote them a few years apart, and changed interpretation slightly over the years just a drop ) ... Each can be rather heavy going at points, but worth it for serious Dogenites.Rather than the un-involved, detached and Utopian conception of Zen perhaps Dōgen is actually teaching the radical philosophy of total historical and social contingency. There is no self, no suchness, nothing to practice without a body that practices, a place of practice, a world that allows for practice and the historical Buddha, now a collection of symbols and only symbols.
Next, I would put Taigen's book and Okumura Roshi's book, discussed here ...
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Gassho, JLast edited by Jundo; 10-28-2013, 03:14 PM.ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLEComment
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Hello Willow,
thanks for the link. I am currently really enjoying the Upaya Norman Fisher talks (in my view both great for new beginners and old beginners ) that were linked to in another recent thread:
It has to be said that he has a great voice too!
Gassho,
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Hi Jundo - yes, I have to agree - on re-reading the last bit - it isn't very clear. But I think what he means by 'uninvolved' is not able to be talked about. But this isn't a view he agrees with - he sees that as a shallow view of Zen. He's referring back to what he says earlier about the misunderstanding of Zen as detached, etc.I confess to reading twice and not getting much at all. What? The summarizing of Dogen in a few closing sentences seems narrow at best, and more than a little silly. What is the meaning of this? I need an explanation.
The best treatments of Dogen's approach to Buddhist philosophy and modus operandi are the two books by the great Dogenologist Dr. Kim (He wrote them a few years apart, and changed interpretation slightly over the years just a drop ) ... Each can be rather heavy going at points, but worth it for serious Dogenites.
Next, I would put Taigen's book and Okumura Roshi's book, discussed here ...
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Gassho, J
He makes a couple of valid points - that all that we name (the process of signification) is ultimately arbitrary - and that this naming ( or intellectual understanding - which he also equates with historical symbols) is at a distance (outside the self).
I think he wants to argue that Dogen's teaching transcends the above by clearly situating the body/mind within a total 'social and historical contingency' I think I might leave a comment on the blog asking for some clarification.
A blog post is of course no substitute for the books/talks mentioned (thank you for links, and Hans also) .
However, it caught my attention ... and has shown me up as a sucker for overblown philosophy
Gassho
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