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  • will
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    • Jun 2007
    • 2331

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    To save all sentient beings, though beings are numberless.
    To penetrate reality, though reality is boundless.
    To transform all delusion, though delusions are immeasurable.
    To attain the enlightened way, a way non-attainable.
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  • Jundo
    Treeleaf Founder and Priest
    • Apr 2006
    • 39392

    #2
    Hey Will,

    I believe that 10 minute clip is a monument to the fairy tale that so many folks think is "Buddhism" . Well financed propaganda funded by Richard Gere (who would have taken the title role except for his age). It presents the Buddhist equivalent of walking on water and raising the dead... magical stories meant to dazzle those members of the public requiring dazzle before they believe in something. Perfect for a Hollywood movie.

    On the other hand, it --might-- be true (I wasn't there). Maybe the Buddha did pop out of his mother's side, fully grown, for that matter.

    [His mother] reaching out to clasp a branch of the tree it is said Siddhartha was born miraculously from her right side. He was born on the eight day of the fourth lunar month.

    The gods attended Siddhartha's birth and witnessed the miracles which occurred. Emerging from his mother's side, Siddhartha immediately took seven steps. At each step, a lotus grew out of the ground to receive the future Buddha, and the child stepped from blossom to blossom.

    The infant arose, pointing one finger to the heavens and one to the earth, declaring, “In the heavens and on the earth, I am the most venerable teacher of Gods and Men."

    http://www.simhas.org/life.html
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    Gassho, Jundo
    ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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    • Jun
      Member
      • Jun 2007
      • 236

      #3
      Brahmanistic influences.
      Gassho
      Jun
      The life and teachings of Suzuki Shõsan Rõshi - http://kongoshin.blogspot.com/

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      • will
        Member
        • Jun 2007
        • 2331

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        To save all sentient beings, though beings are numberless.
        To penetrate reality, though reality is boundless.
        To transform all delusion, though delusions are immeasurable.
        To attain the enlightened way, a way non-attainable.
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        • will
          Member
          • Jun 2007
          • 2331

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          To save all sentient beings, though beings are numberless.
          To penetrate reality, though reality is boundless.
          To transform all delusion, though delusions are immeasurable.
          To attain the enlightened way, a way non-attainable.
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          • Ankai
            Treeleaf Unsui
            • Nov 2007
            • 907

            #6
            Wait...
            Where were the shepherds and wise men? The Manger animals??
            and no one sang "Joy to the World" or the "Hallelujah Chorus."
            What the hell?
            Gassho!
            護道 安海


            -Godo Ankai

            I'm still just starting to learn. I'm not a teacher. Please don't take anything I say too seriously. I already take myself too seriously!

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            • will
              Member
              • Jun 2007
              • 2331

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              To save all sentient beings, though beings are numberless.
              To penetrate reality, though reality is boundless.
              To transform all delusion, though delusions are immeasurable.
              To attain the enlightened way, a way non-attainable.
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              • Kelly M.
                Member
                • Sep 2007
                • 225

                #8
                Hollywood theatrics and Buddhist meta-physics aside, I enjoyed this movie. But you have to see it for what it is, a nice fairy tail. I purchased it from a clearance discount bin .

                Similarly I also recently read 'Buddha' by Deepak Chopra. It was a little fantastic at parts too, but much less than 'Little Buddha'. In fact I liked how he actually made many parts of the Buddha's life much more down-to-earth (including Maya's giving birth to Siddhartha). In researching the author, Deepak himself seems a little sketchy and new agey; but the story was nice.
                Live in joy and love, even among those who hate
                Live in joy and health, even among the afflicted
                Live in joy and peace, even among the troubled
                Look within and be still; free from fear and grasping
                Know the sweet joy of living in the way.

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                • Dainin
                  Member
                  • Sep 2007
                  • 389

                  #9
                  Hey,

                  I too enjoyed this movie (except for Chris Isaac’s acting). I enjoyed it even though I am not Tibetan Buddhist, don’t believe in reincarnation, and don’t take those stories literally. To echo Will, I didn't take it as an historical account of Siddhartha's life, although I enjoyed the parts that may have been historical (i.e., dress, landscape, etc.). However, I also enjoyed some of the more "fantastic" scenes, especially the Naga scene and when he was under the Bodhi tree. I thought it was a great way to show what was happening in his own mind, which, of course, is how I see a lot of the famous myths in different religions. They point to important truths. For example, Buddha being tempted by Mara under the Bodhi tree is similar to Jesus’ temptation by Satan in the desert. Most modern scholars agree that these stories show these great teachers going through an important inner transformation, one that we may all go through. Joseph Campbell has a lot to say about this stuff. Very interesting.

                  As Jundo said, some may need to take these types of stories at face value. Okay, no problem - no skin off my nose. But that still doesn't mean we should dismiss them out of hand. There's a reason why these stories are so enduring - they resonate in our collective psyches because they do speak to the human condition. I, for one, love the myths, even if I don't take them literally. I personally think to take them literally is kind of immature, but I also believe that to dismiss them simply as fairy tales with no other value is also immature. There's a great deal of truth in these stories regardless. I don't think those stories are just meant to "dazzle" and they can still be taken seriously without being taken literally.

                  I personally loved the part in the movie when the lama was dying and he was chanting the Heart Sutra. I was very moved by that scene. Again, it spoke to my humanity.

                  Gassho,
                  Keith

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                  • Ankai
                    Treeleaf Unsui
                    • Nov 2007
                    • 907

                    #10
                    Dude- I may doubt you have flowers growing out your ass, but I never doubted your intent here.
                    I was being silly. Relax.
                    Gassho!
                    護道 安海


                    -Godo Ankai

                    I'm still just starting to learn. I'm not a teacher. Please don't take anything I say too seriously. I already take myself too seriously!

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                    • Jundo
                      Treeleaf Founder and Priest
                      • Apr 2006
                      • 39392

                      #11
                      Originally posted by will
                      Unfortunately history is full of people taking metaphors literally. Any Zen student who is familiar with the story of the Buddha should understand the literal fact of these things and therefore not find the need to comment on something that is a as basic as my saying that flowers are growing out of my ass. Well...do you believe me?
                      Unfortunately, lots of folks do take these things literally ... which they may be (I mean, I wasn't there. I just tend to doubt it). I never thought you one of those folks, Will.

                      Of course, as people like Joseph Campbell have pointed out, these "myths" do point to great truths behind the symbol. They are not merely fairy tales, and echo something of the human/universal condition (which, by the way, fairy tales do too!) So, no reason to ignore them if they are read in that way. However, perhaps the majority of Buddhists in the world, throughout history, have take such stories literally just as they have in other religions about their central figures. I just preach a Buddhism that seeks not to do so, and is more grounded in what can be personally experienced.

                      And if you have flowers growing out of your ass, I would see a doctor immediately!

                      Gassho, J
                      ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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                      • Eika
                        Member
                        • Sep 2007
                        • 806

                        #12
                        And if you have flowers growing out of your ass, I would see a doctor immediately!

                        Gassho, J
                        But we all do! Ass--shit--toilet--sewer (septic tank)--fertilizer--soil--bulbs--flowers!! :wink:

                        Bill
                        [size=150:m8cet5u6]??[/size:m8cet5u6] We are involved in a life that passes understanding and our highest business is our daily life---John Cage

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                        • Dainin
                          Member
                          • Sep 2007
                          • 389

                          #13
                          Hey Jundo,

                          Originally posted by Jundo
                          Unfortunately, lots of folks do take these things literally ...
                          Unfortunate for whom? I imagine they don't think so. They may think that's it's unfortuante that you don't take them literally. In the end, who cares?

                          Gassho,
                          Keith

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                          • Rev R
                            Member
                            • Jul 2007
                            • 457

                            #14
                            Honestly I kept expecting "Dude, I'm enlightened! Excellent!!" *air guitar solo*

                            But the naga thing was pretty cool.

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                            • Jun
                              Member
                              • Jun 2007
                              • 236

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Rev R
                              Honestly I kept expecting "Dude, I'm enlightened! Excellent!!" *air guitar solo*

                              But the naga thing was pretty cool.
                              Ha ha haha

                              According to Dr. K. Jamanadas, these types of stories were added to Buddhism intentionally to bring Buddhism into alignment with Brahmanism. The elevation of Buddha to god-head and the inclusion of Brahma in the sutras was intentional and created by Brahmin bhikkus from within the Buddha's sangha.

                              The Buddha's preaching of equality among the masses was detrimental to the hegemony the Brahmins had been enjoying before the Buddha came along.

                              He says - "the old stories, fables and parables - which were in pre-Buddhist Indian folklore having nothing to do with Buddhism - were turned into Jatakas, which now became authentic rebirth stories of the Buddha."

                              See here - http://dharmoghandul.blogspot.com/2007/ ... minic.html

                              gassho
                              Gassho
                              Jun
                              The life and teachings of Suzuki Shõsan Rõshi - http://kongoshin.blogspot.com/

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