Kyogi Say What? Rev R Will B collaboration

[Jundo]

I realize you did not say anything was (for lack of a better word) "wrong" with this, but it seems like you're inferring that. As a former practicing Catholic, I loved those old ladies. Yeah, they may not have understood the "deeper" theology behind Christianity (yes, there is some), but I often found them (and others like them) far more balanced and compassionate than the stuffy, egotistical clergy who had Ph.D.'s and whatnot. And I'm finding the same with the Buddhist community.

Who really cares if those folks don't understand deep Buddhist philosophy or even if they don't practice zazen? Who cares if those folks in Harry's pic are "gettin' the Spirit"? Are they compassionate people trying their best? I guess what I'm saying is that I get very tired of elitist/fundamentalist attitude in any form. Treeleaf is one of the places that I've found that has the least amount, which is one of the aspects I love about this place. But it creeps in. To me, Buddhism and even zazen are simply all skillful means to try to live a balanced, happy, compassionate life, but they certainly are not the only ones. They may work for us. Terrific. But it’s not for everyone. Even Buddha said that. I could say more but I’ve said way too much here already.

Hi Keith,

I agree. I often say "many roads up the mountain", and I do think that everyone has to choose their own music and religion. I love those little old ladies too. I do not even think that Buddhism, let alone Zen Buddhism, is for everyone. Some people may do better with other religions. Within Buddhism too, some folks need an Amida or Kannon in the sky to pray too, and that is how they relate. Good for them. I am certainly not a believer in any kind of fundamentalism (heck, even Master Dogen was just a guy with his own viewpoint(s), although a pretty wise guy I think).

But, I am something of an elitist, and I make no apology. I teach what I teach for those with an ear attuned to it and who can hear it, and for whom it is the right road. The subtle aspects of Zen Buddhism have generally not been appreciated by the popular masses, who are often more comfortable with other types of religious or personal belief.

Gassho, Jundo

[Rev R]

I often say "many roads up the mountain", and I do think that everyone has to choose their own music and religion. I love those little old ladies too. I do not even think that Buddhism, let alone Zen Buddhism, is for everyone. Some people may do better with other religions. Within Buddhism too, some folks need an Amida or Kannon in the sky to pray too, and that is how they relate. Good for them. I am certainly not a believer in any kind of fundamentalism (heck, even Master Dogen was just a guy with his own viewpoint(s), although a pretty wise guy I think).

I can dig it. Everybody has different needs from a "spiritual" perspective.

Kinda like a lemon meringue pie. Some really like the fluffy bits, some like the filling, some like to get to the crust.

But, I am something of an elitist, and I make no apology.

I think we all are to a degree

[Dainin]

Hey Jundo,

But, I am something of an elitist, and I make no apology. I teach what I teach for those with an ear attuned to it and who can hear it, and for whom it is the right road. The subtle aspects of Zen Buddhism have generally not been appreciated by the popular masses, who are often more comfortable with other types of religious or personal belief.

Yes, of course. As a teacher myself I agree. You teach what you teach and in the way that you teach, and if it doesn't fit with some, no problem. They are free to seek out another way. I'm just glad you don't call them asswipes! :wink:

Gassho,
Keith

PS Will, sorry for taking your thread in another direction. I'll shut up now!

[will]

No problem.

Gassho Will