Kyogi Say What? Rev R Will B collaboration

[Jun]

That was entirely my decision dude. I wasn't really content with the way it was. We are Buddha seems to suit better. Why would you want to keep your wise ass comments to yourself? That's no fun.

G, W

I don't want to come across as the pin in the pie Will. I don't want to sound like a wise arse either.

[paige]

In Chinese liturgy, I've seen 佛子 (Buddha's sons) used quite a bit. I think it usually refers to people who've taken refuge. But sometimes it seems to mean the community of monks and nuns.

Unfortunately, my computer's kind of busted and the audio's out. So I didn't get the chance to hear your new tunes. I'll definitely give it a listen when my system's back up!

[Jun]

No offence intended Will, my wife says it sounds like a Hare Krishna song.

Hi Paige, 佛子 is used often yes. And it is pretty much as you say - referring to those who have taken "refuge."

[will]

Hare Krishna? Alright. I guess. They must be pretty hip.

I don't want to come across as the pin in the pie Will. I don't want to sound like a wise arse either.

That's entirely up to you my man.

Gassho Will

[Jundo]

I don't want to come across as the pin in the pie Will. I don't want to sound like a wise arse either.

You sound like a child of the Buddha! Keep the comments coming. We need some folks around here who speak their mind, and I can't be the only wise arse.

Gassho, J

[Jun]

I don't want to come across as the pin in the pie Will. I don't want to sound like a wise arse either.

You sound like a child of the Buddha! Keep the comments coming. We need some folks around here who speak their mind, and I can't be the only wise arse.

Gassho, J

Well, that comes as a shock to me actually.

Back in Australia when I spoke my mind at the Buddhist Council I was asked (told actually) to leave, and at three other "Buddhist" forums I was told to shut up or leave!

Gassho

[paige]

No offence intended Will, my wife says it sounds like a Hare Krishna song.

Curse you! Now you've got that stuck in my head.

...Rama Rama... Hare Hare...

Arrgh!

[Rev R]

Jun,

If you weren't as cuddly as sandpaper, I wouldn't love you bro.


Will,

I was happy with it before. I'm happy with it now. If you change it everyday for the next ten years, I'll be happy with it. I'm glad to have had the opportunity to work with you on a tune. We will have to do it again.

Paige,
Hi!

Jundo,

I had something smart aleck to say here, but I forgot what it was. Thanks for listening.


Now, someone said something about pie?

[Dainin]

Hey Will & Everyone,

I hate to be a stick-in-the-mud (pin-in-the-pie), but I feel a need to comment about a certain feeling/attitude that I have gotten from this thread. First, Will, I apologize up front that I haven't listened to your tune yet (I am blocked from listening to it at work), so I can't comment on it, but it sounds interesting. Please know I'm not trying to highjack this thread.

Most people who are members of the Soto Church in Japan (the English page is just a translation of the Japanese page) are not interested in the "deeper" aspects of Buddhist philosophy, Dogen ... they are not even interested in Zazen. They are just the Japanese equivalent of little old ladies who go to mass on Sunday.

Jundo, this comment made me bristle a bit. I realize you did not say anything was (for lack of a better word) "wrong" with this, but it seems like you're inferring that. As a former practicing Catholic, I loved those old ladies. Yeah, they may not have understood the "deeper" theology behind Christianity (yes, there is some), but I often found them (and others like them) far more balanced and compassionate than the stuffy, egotistical clergy who had Ph.D.'s and whatnot. And I'm finding the same with the Buddhist community.

Who really cares if those folks don't understand deep Buddhist philosophy or even if they don't practice zazen? Who cares if those folks in Harry's pic are "gettin' the Spirit"? Are they compassionate people trying their best? I guess what I'm saying is that I get very tired of elitist/fundamentalist attitude in any form. Treeleaf is one of the places that I've found that has the least amount, which is one of the aspects I love about this place. But it creeps in. To me, Buddhism and even zazen are simply all skillful means to try to live a balanced, happy, compassionate life, but they certainly are not the only ones. They may work for us. Terrific. But it’s not for everyone. Even Buddha said that. I could say more but I’ve said way too much here already.

Anyway, sorry to interrupt! I guess I'm feeling on the cranky side this morning.

Gassho,
Keith

[will]

Ritual complexities, and garbled interpretations, no matter how well intended, can cause quite a bit of confusion.

I missed this.

Yes. Sometimes. I'm a big sitter, so I don't want to give anyone the wrong idea about practice. Just kind of wanted to take those words that have truth in them and put some music to them. I was trusting that their words rang true to Soto practice. They seemed somewhat true. I've learned something here. Great.

Next tune will probably have a warning sticker referring everyone to the Treeleaf blog and a picture of Robo Buddha :wink:

Gassho Will

[Dainin]

Hey Harry,

You seem to have read quite a lot into my two lines.

Not only yours.

On the other hand those beliefs (and the power structures, influences and general psychology/philosophy that arose and are associated with them) have contributed to much suffering in the world.

Agreed.

Best,
Keith

[Bansho]

Hi guys,

I think that judging other people’s practice is always condemned to failure, since its always a matter of being on the outside looking in. We can never really see what’s going on inside from someone elses perspective and therefore can never really say with any certainty whether their practice is of soteriological value to them or not. As Jundo once said, even if his practice is wrong, it works for him. Who could argue with that? :wink:

Gassho
Ken

[TracyF]

Some people like their traditions. They don't care what they mean. They don't even care if they believe them or not. I think my Dad has been agnostic most his adult life but he still goes to the Catholic Church with my Mom every Sunday.

Back to topic. Rev's comment here...

If you change it everyday for the next ten years, I'll be happy with it.

...gave me an idea. Will, you should write a song called Impermanence and keep changing it! :lol:

I love your work. I played the Heart Sutra for my daughter this morning while she was getting ready. She's usually a little crabby until she wakes some more but she bounced right out of bed (ok, I'm exaggerating a little but there was a clear improvement :lol: ).

[will]

Gassho Will

[will]

BTW I told you we were Dharma trouble makers.

G,W