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  • ZenHarmony
    Member
    • Feb 2012
    • 315

    A queston about eyes...

    I know this is probably a silly question, but I've been struggling with it for a while now and hope someone may have a suggestion/solution for it:

    When on the zafu, with my eyes semi-closed and my gaze fixed on the floor, I find that my eyes tend to unfocus. Now for most folks, that may not be a problem but I ruined my eyes my 14th summer staring off into space like that and ended up needing glasses by the time I was back in school in September. I now have progressive bifocals and I find, after zazen, that I am unable to see clearly for quite a while afterwards.

    Do I need to focus completely on the wall/floor despite the distraction, or should I maybe remove my glasses entirely? Honestly, I can't afford for my eyes to get any worse, considering how much glasses cost nowadays—besides the fact that I'm darn near blind afterwards.

    Any help would be greatly appreciated!

    Gassho,

    Lisa
  • Bunny
    Member
    • Sep 2013
    • 111

    #2
    I sometimes sit with my glasses, sometimes without. I just do what feels best for my eyes at each sitting. Have you tried sitting without your glasses? How does that go? I wonder if sitting with your eyes closed might be the kindest thing for your body.
    Gassho
    Bunny

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    • Bunny
      Member
      • Sep 2013
      • 111

      #3
      Here's another discussion on glasses:

      Hi! I have glasses, no problems with that. I didn't sit zazen with glasses because it didn't feel right. I started to think about my glasses recently. And I recognized that it didn't felt right because it wasn't the real ME with glasses. The real ME have naturally bad eyes and the zazen for me should be done for real, I think?

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      • Taigu
        Blue Mountain White Clouds Hermitage Priest
        • Aug 2008
        • 2710

        #4
        Do what is best for your eyes. You could also seek precise medical advice.

        Gassho

        Taigu

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        • Mp

          #5
          Hey there Lisa,

          Sorry to hear about your eyes - please do take care of them. For me, I try to not force my eyes to do anything that is not natural. When I have my posture and eyes are the right angle, I don't need to squint my eyes. Then my eyes can focus not focus and blind naturally.

          I look at the wall, so not much there to focus on - I find if I try and focus too much my eyes get tired. Hope this helps.

          Gassho
          Shingen

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          • Jundo
            Treeleaf Founder and Priest
            • Apr 2006
            • 39078

            #6
            Originally posted by Bunny
            Here's another discussion on glasses:

            http://www.treeleaf.org/forums/showt...ith-Glasses%21
            Yes, as Taigu says.

            We also had a third thread on eyes recently, worth a "look"



            I wrote there:

            Originally posted by Jundo
            Hi,

            My belief, when something like this comes up, is that folks must be doing something unnatural with the eyes during sitting. For example, holding them too rigidly on a fixed point of focus, or too artificially trying --not-- to look at/focus on an object.

            I just sit, looking out through my half open eyes, no differently than if were sitting at my kitchen table looking at the room or driving a car looking at the road. If looking at the wall, I am just looking as if looking at any scenery. Normal vision, but I just am not particularly thinking about, pondering or concentrating on what I am seeing. There is no eye strain.

            Perhaps you are trying too hard --not-- to let the eyes settle on something, and that is the cause of the strain?

            Gassho, J
            ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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            • Daijo
              Member
              • Feb 2012
              • 530

              #7
              Also, I noticed you said "eyes focused on the floor". Maybe don't focus, just relax your gaze and forget about the floor.

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              • Rich
                Member
                • Apr 2009
                • 2587

                #8
                I also have progressive bifocals and usually sit without them.

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                Rich
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                • ZenHarmony
                  Member
                  • Feb 2012
                  • 315

                  #9
                  Thank you, everyone, for the responses, and Bunny for the link on the glasses thread. Last I sat, I did it sans glasses and while it was a bit awkward, I didn't experience the same blurriness afterwards. I guess it's an ongoing experiment on balance ()

                  Gassho,

                  Lisa

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                  • sittingzen
                    Member
                    • May 2010
                    • 188

                    #10
                    Hi Lisa,

                    I know exactly what you are referring to. Your eyes tend to almost relax "too much" and the opposite of straining happens? It's difficult to put into words. I find this happens when my attention has become too relaxed. Usually, I will straighten my back to "refresh" for a brief moment. Get my posture back in line.

                    If it helps, just bring your attention back to a normal gaze, if possible. Nothing special. Just as is.
                    Shinjin datsuraku, datsuraku shinjin..Body-mind drop off, mind-body drop off..

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                    • Stacy
                      Member
                      • Mar 2013
                      • 81

                      #11
                      I have been having a similar issue, not sure how my eyes should be looking and sometimes having a little short term blurred vision afterward (only really noticeable with trying to read immediately afterward). I don't wear bifocals or the like, just "regular" glasses for my near-sightedness.

                      I tried using "normal vision" (as Jundo said) in my last session of zazen and I noticed improvement. I will have to try without my glasses too and see how that goes.

                      Thanks for the thread, Lisa, and thanks everyone for the wonderful advice.

                      Gassho, Stacy

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